Steelers Game, Mora Take Notice…

[Bubba1957]

Yeah I guess that happens sometimes. I respect businesslawywer as he is solid contributor here.

But we all have those days and I too am not immune!

For this thread, I was just venting a bit because Steelers remind me a bit of UConn. If we want to dig into it even more, Mason Rudolph was playing with a whole sh@tload of backups Sat. including some off practice squad. We were really banged up and honestly it was a legendary performance.

Maybe it was just for one game but got me to thinking about the games Roberson had where I couldn’t believe Mora kept sending him back on the field.

Kind of agree with this. Puma was like 3rd or 4th sting and he provided a big spark. But I also think mora was really trying to knock the rust off Roberson to see what he had. Only way to do that is keep playing him. I would rather have seen Tucker M play more because he’s the only one we really haven’t seen play.

 

[KembaKek]

The grass isn't always greener... QB was not even near the top of the list of worries this year. Pointing at QB is for people who don't understand football.

 

[UCan3]

The grass isn't always greener... QB was not even near the top of the list of worries this year. Pointing at QB is for people who don't understand football.

Well that’s a little bit of a stretch. It is the most important position on the field.
But I also would point out that our QB was well protected this year unlike in past years. He had time to make some things happen…. Receivers dropped balls and didn’t block like we needed them to - failure to execute/play calling - long list of problems but it would have been nice to try some more options at QB.

 

[UCan3]

Imagine comparing a third round draft pick with legit NFL experience to a third string G5 QB and saying these are both apples and I will compare them as such.

This is more akin to comparing apples to celery.

Well, if you look at the scoring woes of the Steelers which have been historically bad for past 3 years, there are some reasonable comparisons. They are as bad at offense in NFL as we are in College Football.

My point is they fired offensive coordinator and took some chances at QB - we can’t say the same.

For the record, maybe and perhaps likely Roberson was best option by a mile but we just won’t know and that is a shame in my book.

 

[UCan3]

I disagree, We had a full season to evaluate Zion, albeit as a freshman.

He threw for barely over 100 yds / game & I thought he was slow footed. And then he ended the season with probably his worst performance in the bowl game. On the plus side - he managed to mostly avoid reckless turnovers & that was enough, along with a better defense that year, to get Uconn to 6 wins. But we still needed an upgrade at QB though because ZT showed he wasn’t the answer.

To me - Roberson, while not great, was a clear upgrade over Zion. There were other reasons Uconn took a step backward.

Well, Zion has what .000 seconds to throw the ball and was true freshman. We went bowling last year.

This year, we just averted the bottom 10 and only beat 1 good Division 1 team. 1 team…

I do agree we had a long list of problems outside the QB position.

 

[Palatine]

Well, Zion has what .000 seconds to throw the ball and was true freshman. We went bowling last year.

This year, we just averted the bottom 10 and only beat 1 good Division 1 team. 1 team…

I do agree we had a long list of problems outside the QB position.

Zion was pretty well protected. But he was wildly inconsistent.

 

[KembaKek]

long list of problems but it would have been nice to try some more options at QB.

Would've been great if we had any other options. Notice how Zion has zero offers in the portal.

 

[UCan3]

Would've been great if we had any other options. Notice how Zion has zero offers in the portal.

I didn't know that and I'm sorry to hear that - like Zion

 

[Dizzy21]

That is just as dumb a post as if every time a backup QB failed someone came on and said see, that means we can’t bench Roberson and anyone thinking an unseen backup must be the answer is an idiot.

Every situation is different. You think ZT should have played? Great, make your case. We all saw him play for a season and can have a discussion. But your “evidence” is beyond irrelevant.

It's similar to people going to the casino and you think they always win. People only talk about the times they win and don't mention the other 500 times they went and lost.

It's amazing that people see your post as negative or you having a bad day or some bs, when you were simply pointing out a bias that people experience when seeing a singular event and ignoring the actual reality that the third stringer, even on an NFL team is nearly 100% likely to suck, but a few get do well over the years and it skews a person's perception.

 

[Patman]

When I look at these things I mostly take the tact of a probabilist (not a statistician be cause that requires lots of data... which is the heart of the problem) in that I think most people want to see the 3rd stringer and so on because to them its the great mystery and they have the hope it'll pan out but havent seen the reason it wont yet.

Of course there's always the idea the coach might be wrong and the player has the magical "intrinsics" that will just happen if you get the power to show if can happen. And sometimes there's something to it. Scott zolak, 4th stringer in 1992 wins two games of a foresaken 0-14 season. There's other situations too but they don't happen often.

People will not let go of these thoughts because they embed an obvious hope

 

[UCan3]

It's similar to people going to the casino and you think they always win. People only talk about the times they win and don't mention the other 500 times they went and lost.

It's amazing that people see your post as negative or you having a bad day or some bs, when you were simply pointing out a bias that people experience when seeing a singular event and ignoring the actual reality that the third stringer, even on an NFL team is nearly 100% likely to suck, but a few get do well over the years and it skews a person's perception.

This thought process on the merits of maintaining status quo no matter what the results are on the field is what led us to a season where we one of the worst teams in Division 1.

 

[Purple Stein]

I mean I think it's natural to want to see what the "next man up" has when you're iffy about the guy on the field. When Fagnano was the guy, we wanted Roberson. When Roberson was the guy, we wanted ZT. The fact is there was no next-level guy to take snaps.

Wanting something different doesn't mean you can get something better.

 

[UCan3]

I mean I think it's natural to want to see what the "next man up" has when you're iffy about the guy on the field. When Fagnano was the guy, we wanted Roberson. When Roberson was the guy, we wanted ZT. The fact is there was no next-level guy to take snaps.

Wanting something different doesn't mean you can get something better.

I can’t say I disagree.

I just wanted to see a few more looks at QB.

I was at most of home games and got a close up look at missed catches, missed passes, missed tackles - we were in a major funk. QB only 1 facet but an important one - think we all agree. Wanted to see if there was something we could have done to shake that funk off.

Syracuse lost to 45-0 to a team we only lost by 3. If TR had been willing to run the ball on some key 3rd/4th downs, we might have won that game.

For all the negativity on the year on players/choices etc. something tells me coaching was one of reasons we had such a bad record. We were a solid .500 team IMO.

 

[CL82]

Biz,

Tell us how you really feel! Happy Holidays.

He's not wrong, but the baby seal clubbing he gave the OP seemed a little over the top.

 

[AllHusky]

I didn't know that and I'm sorry to hear that - like Zion

Yes, Zion and the 2022 FB season were akin to the sun breaking through the clouds before the 40 days and 40 nights rain storm resumed. Hopefully we see the sun a bit longer going forward.

 

[AllHusky]

Mora riled up the base and that played a big part of raising some NIL for football.

Yes, I am curious about the post that said we have a ton of NIL waiting to be spent for the right kids. I am so far outside that I depend completely on the BY for this type of info(AKA guess, rumor, innuendo, lies, BS, hopes etc)

I am beginning to feel like Mora did adapt, and something has happened, and it will take 2 years to see it come to fruition, but we should know if we've moved in the right direction by this time next year, or actually, after the first 2-3 games next fall.

Prayin' hard!

 

[CL82]

Yes, I am curious about the post that said we have a ton of NIL waiting to be spent for the right kids. I am so far outside that I depend completely on the BY for this type of info(AKA guess, rumor, innuendo, lies, BS, hopes etc)

I am beginning to feel like Mora did adapt, and something has happened, and it will take 2 years to see it come to fruition, but we should know if we've moved in the right direction by this time next year, or actually, after the first 2-3 games next fall.

Prayin' hard!

Has a similar thought. Even if we significantly upgrade how long until we see the impact of that in win column?

 

[BlueandOG]

I am also a Steelers fan and we’ve struggled quite a bit, in some ways much like UConn at QB position. Our number 1 is good (Pickett) but not great and our back up, Mitch Trubiski is just not a QB for this level of football - not anymore anyways.

But yesterday, they took a chance and put their 3rd string QB Mason Rudolph against a surging Bengals team, and what do you know? This kid looked like Terry Bradshaw out there for a day and posted 124 QB Rating and hung 30+ pts on Bengals.

My point with UConn is we didn’t have to ride the Roberson train all season - he was playing good at times - definitely, but there were times he was really stinking it up out there. I wish we had the opportunity for a fair evaluation of ZT before he left or seen Tucker for a half. I’m excited for Cole W. To join out team but if and when we hit bumpy patches we’ve got to let some others get some time in at the QB position - make sure we are putting the best player at that particular time, out on the field.

I appreciate your enthusiasm for ZT but have a tough time agreeing with your argument. If ZT outplayed Robinson during practice, they would have started him.

 

[UCan3]

I appreciate your enthusiasm for ZT but have a tough time agreeing with your argument. If ZT outplayed Robinson during practice, they would have started him.

Well i had a hard time accepting the coaches evaluation when Fagnano started....
Also please note this argument isnt about saying that ZT was better than TR but onliy that I wanted to see him or Tucker take some snaps when then wheels came off.

 

[UCan3]

Yes, Zion and the 2022 FB season were akin to the sun breaking through the clouds before the 40 days and 40 nights rain storm resumed. Hopefully we see the sun a bit longer going forward.

Agreed!!

 

[AllHusky]

Has a similar thought. Even if we significantly upgrade how long until we see the impact of that in win column?

Revisionist history but.....You know, the Rosa flip keeps coming up.

Was with a bunch of Alums at Bidwells in Coventry pre X-Mas, and of course the FB team and season was a hot topic. Discussed how that game and that situation might have turned the bus 180 from the direction it eventually went. Went back through the schedule again, and if we could have been 2-2 after Duke, juiced and confident, 8-4 was a real possibility.

Looking forward, we have the opportunity next year, to maybe flip the script.

Beat who we can beat.

 

[UCan3]

Revisionist history but.....You know, the Rosa flip keeps coming up.

Was with a bunch of Alums at Bidwells in Coventry pre X-Mas, and of course the FB team and season was a hot topic. Discussed how that game and that situation might have turned the bus 180 from the direction it eventually went. Went back through the schedule again, and if we could have been 2-2 after Duke, juiced and confident, 8-4 was a real possibility.

Looking forward, we have the opportunity next year, to maybe flip the script.

Beat who we can beat.

I am psyched for Cole W. To arrive on campus next month. He is the best looking QB we’ve ever had coming into the program. Now time to develop and if he is up to task - we’ll see. But this kids has all the makings of potetnially revitalizing our program.

I was at the game with the Rosa flip. Much ado about nothing. Seen a lot worse not called. No one ever wants to talk about the flagrant hit after that subsequent kickoff that was totally unnecessary that led to the TD.

 

[AllHusky]

I am psyched for Cole W. To arrive on campus next month. He is the best looking QB we’ve ever had coming into the program. Now time to develop and if he is up to task - we’ll see. But this kids has all the makings of potetnially revitalizing our program.

I was at the game with the Rosa flip. Much ado about nothing. Seen a lot worse not called. No one ever wants to talk about the flagrant hit after that subsequent kickoff that was totally unnecessary that led to the TD.

yes, so the point is the combo of the 2 led to a coulda shoulda woulda scenario that if erased may have changed the game and the season, so the opportunity next year is to not flip and not have a flagrant hit and beat who we can beat.

Go Mora, Go Huskies Go Welliver(or Fagnano or Roberson or McDonald)

 

[uconnfan68]

I mean I think it's natural to want to see what the "next man up" has when you're iffy about the guy on the field. When Fagnano was the guy, we wanted Roberson. When Roberson was the guy, we wanted ZT. The fact is there was no next-level guy to take snaps.

Wanting something different doesn't mean you can get something better.

When “it” isn’t working, maybe we should see the next guy.

 

[ScottVib]

I am psyched for Cole W. To arrive on campus next month. He is the best looking QB we’ve ever had coming into the program. Now time to develop and if he is up to task - we’ll see. But this kids has all the makings of potetnially revitalizing our program.

Orlovsky was much better regarded... Welliver looked good, but as always with high-school kids the proof is what happens when they get on campus and are no longer (often by a wide margin) the best player on the field. Ultimately adding speed and avoiding drops from the receiving crew will be a big help. The line scares me though, the line play took a step back in 2023 and now must replace the top two linemen. If there is a big step backwards from that group and it won't matter who the QB is.