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Oh the humanity……. “A ridiculous take, just “fake Twitter outrage”
Technically he started in this during the game thread. Then started a separate thread during the game when Medic asked him to.First off, what kind of person after the program’s biggest win in over a decade starts a thread as absurd, as inflammatory, as accusatory as this one… towards a coach who is universally respected in the sport and has a long track record of not doing precisely what you’re accusing him of… the best answer would be a troll because the other options are worse… this whole thread should be shut down
Regarding your last post
1) “Morally questionable?” Have you considered the possibility that your entire premise may be wrong (as hard as it may be to believe)? You know for a fact Peterson is definitively overworked cause one time he threw 50 pitches on short rest? Definitive enough that Benedict should suspend Penders to save the kids (actually laughed out loud at this thought)? You don’t think widely respected baseball lifers like Penders and his staff have the wherewithal to make a one off call on a guy pitching on short rest on his throw day without compromising his arm health but somehow you can read the situation better? I mean maybe if we pitched our Saturday starter (like Maryland) you’d have a better case but even then how would you know? Not to mention we didn’t… Then again, maybe you’re simply omniscient and the joke is on us!
2) Who said throw day and a high leverage situation in a winner take all game were the same? Certainly not me… and didn’t see anyone else say precisely that either. Doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be considered in the broader context and factored in when considering the decision (for again, a one-off occurrence)… sometimes nuanced thinking is required…
3) I don’t think anyone is suggesting it’s ok to overwork arms to the point of abuse just cause the pitcher happens to be young (and I certainly don’t condone that and yes there are times it happens)…but again I disagree with your premise that this was abuse of Peterson - there’s no way for you to know that and no significant evidence to support that notion…. Separately, people have very different ideas as to what constitutes “overwork”… I’m not interested in wading into that debate…
Unfortunately fans who just want to win don’t get the damage that kind of workload does to a pitcher. It’s even worse in high school where as a parent constantly have check in with coach. My kid will never say No he wants to win like everyone else. But he does does tell me his arm is hurting. In these situations it’s a difficult call. Win or potentially hurt your player?"other people do morally questionable things so when our team does it it's ok"
"it was his throw day" mhmm because a throw day and an intense game situation are totally the same thing
"he's a young kid it's fine" mhmm that's why all these kids are ruining their arms and getting tommy john in HS and college
109 pitches on Friday. Over 50 pitches today. It's inexcusable. The AD needs to step in and protect the athletes.
Just a bit hyperbolic.109 pitches on Friday. Over 50 pitches today. It's inexcusable. The AD needs to step in and protect the athletes.
I guess every coach would be suspended then because every team did it. Plus it wasn't like he came back the next day, he did have 3 days rest since Friday.109 pitches on Friday. Over 50 pitches today. It's inexcusable. The AD needs to step in and protect the athletes.
This is a really good analogy.Should Calhoun have benched Kemba during that BET and March Madness run bc of the back to backs and, well, people sustain lower body injuries all of the time if they are not rested?! See how dumb this argument is?
It is an interesting discussion. It is very true that pitching on 2 or 3 days rest increases the chance of injury. The option would be for the NCAA to establish pitch count/rest standards. This would essentially hand the regionals to the power teams who are able to recruit and keep a bevy of top level pitchers. I did a quick review of Vanderbilt's box scores, as they had to go through the losers bracket in the Oregon St. Regional. Vandy used 12 pitchers and only one pitcher was used twice in the regional. They had a couple of blow out games and didn't have to use many arms in those games. Even in the final elimination game against Oregon St. they used 5 pitchers that did not see action in the previous 4 games. That is depth that few teams have. Even Maryland had to use multiple pitchers on limited rest. I was in absolute disbelief when Maryland brought Ramsey in on Sunday after he threw 80 pitches on Friday. Penders actions w/ Peterson pale in comparison to what the Maryland coach did. If you establish pitch count standards for college baseball you might as well do away with the 64 team tournament as non-power conference school would have no chance. Even some power conference teams would be at a huge disadvantage w/ pitch count/rest standards.
That is on top of many schools playing lengthy double elimination tournaments in their respective league tournaments.I think the number of games these kids play in regionals is insane
You're embarrassed by people having a different opinion? i have yet to see anyone here say "F it, do what you gotta do to win". What I see are people arguing that the risk was not nearly as severe as some are making it out to be. Peterson was at 72+ hours of rest. He would have thrown 35 full out pitches in a bullpen session anyway. He is not going to be used like that regularly, or ever again.I'm embarrassed by all the responses to this thread. People really can't possibly fathom that their favorite school could make a wrong decision. Lots of tough guys in this thread who know nothing about baseball/injuries
The tone of this post implies that UConn was the exception, not the rule. If you think the nature of the game should be changed, argue that, but it is extremely disingenuous to act like Penders himself did something unusual in any way shape or form.I'm embarrassed by all the responses to this thread. People really can't possibly fathom that their favorite school could make a wrong decision. Lots of tough guys in this thread who know nothing about baseball/injuries
When the opinion is actively putting UConn baseball players in harm's way yes. The risk is incredibly severe and the science backs that up. The bullpen day theory has also been disproven by science, and doesn't really hold up when he had to throw 2 bullpen sessions to warm up (he was up twice before coming in) and then threw 50 pitchesYou're embarrassed by people having a different opinion? i have yet to see anyone here say "F it, do what you gotta do to win". What I see are people arguing that the risk was not nearly as severe as some are making it out to be. Peterson was at 72+ hours of rest. He would have thrown 35 full out pitches in a bullpen session anyway. He is not going to be used like that regularly, or ever again.
It's absolutely not just a Penders issue and is something that needs to be addressed as a whole. Penders didn't do something unusual, because he has a history of doing this and has been called out for it multiple times before. It's a major issue for him, despite him being one of the best college baseball coachesThe tone of this post implies that UConn was the exception, not the rule. If you think the nature of the game should be changed, argue that, but it is extremely disingenuous to act like Penders himself did something unusual in any way shape or form.
Should we suspend all of the several coaches in the regional who did the same thing? Or maybe just maybe is it more tied to a broader issue you want to question? Be honest about that instead of doing the flashy ad hominem thing.
I pitched thru college. Most pitches thrown in a game was 161 in a 10 inning HS playoff game. I was capable of coming back in relatively short rest throughout college. Some pitchers can and some can't. Coaches know who can and can't based on throwing days between starts during the season. In general, the pitching coach would have the final say after consulting the pitcher. The pitcher/pitching coach relationship is vital to these decisions. I couldn't find an example of a pitcher who pitched on short rest during the CWS tournament and had a major injury. However, pitcher overuse is a cumulative process. If a pitcher was frequently overused in the regular season to win a conference title that would be a huge issue. Bottom line is that pitcher use is a recruiting issue. If a coach gets a "pitcher abuse" reputation he digs himself a big hole in recruiting.I'm embarrassed by all the responses to this thread. People really can't possibly fathom that their favorite school could make a wrong decision. Lots of tough guys in this thread who know nothing about baseball/injuries