OT: Victor Wembanyama

[HuskyWarrior611]

Then he dunked on KG’s dome

And had this masterpiece in the Garden.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

And had this masterpiece in the Garden.

2012-2013 LeBron was a different beast. Insanely strong and fast, and was like 275. NBA version of Bo.

 

[gtcam]

Wilt, Bill Russell, Bird, Oscar...............................
These guys need to be in the conversation - they could play in any era and dominate as would MJ and LeBron

 

[TheHorde]

Wilt, Bill Russell, Bird, Oscar...............................
These guys need to be in the conversation - they could play in any era and dominate as would MJ and LeBron

Wilt and Oscar had stats that are almost hard to believe when you scan them.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Wilt, Bill Russell, Bird, Oscar...............................
These guys need to be in the conversation - they could play in any era and dominate as would MJ and LeBron

They could, I just think specifically Jordan and LeBron transfer skillsets better than pretty much any other player. LeBron in the 90’s would’ve been insane because of the defensive rules, and Jordan similarly in the 2000’s because of how easy it would be for him to draw fouls.

 

[TheHorde]

They could, I just think specifically Jordan and LeBron transfer skillsets better than pretty much any other player. LeBron in the 90’s would’ve been insane because of the defensive rules, and Jordan similarly in the 2000’s because of how easy it would be for him to draw fouls.

Wilt, Russell, and Oscar also played when there were far fewer teams, so there were few scrubs on benches let alone getting minutes. The talent level was super high.

 

[superjohn]

I don’t either at this point but I agree.

Also Jordan was never an underdog in any Final he played in. Lebron has carried some pretty weak teams there.

The thing is Jordan wasn't chasing anyone. He was legitimately the most famous person in the world, it got to be a bit too much him culminating with the murder of his dad. He retired twice when he was by far the best player in the league leaving several more NBA titles on the board. I think there's a pretty good chance those two three peats would've been a 10 peat without the retirements.

I think you're pretty young so probably didn't get to watch him...people often refer to him having the greatest competitiveness ever but it's wild how he was doing stuff athletically that nobody else has done since. Nobody has ever come close to catching the amount of bodies he caught, he routinely dunked on entire front lines. You hardly ever see it anymore. The reaction videos are a bit much on YouTube but I still like seeing young people react to Jordan's highlight tape.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Wilt, Russell, and Oscar also played when there were far fewer teams, so there were few scrubs on benches let alone getting minutes. The talent level was super high.

I mean, the guys you consider scrubs in the league right now would be in the MVP conversation in those players time.

 

[TheHorde]

I mean, the guys you consider scrubs in the league right now would be in the MVP conversation in those players time.

Sure

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Sure

Throw Terrence Ross in the 60’s and they’d accuse him of witchcraft.

 

[Inyatkin]

Wilt, Russell, and Oscar also played when there were far fewer teams, so there were few scrubs on benches let alone getting minutes. The talent level was super high.

Fewer teams does not mean the talent level was better. I've never heard anyone argue the overall talent level was better then, with good reason. It wasn't.

 

[TheHorde]

Fewer teams does not mean the talent level was better. I've never heard anyone argue the overall talent level was better then, with good reason. It wasn't.

Fewer roster spots would mean for example only the best 100-120 players would find roster spots, no?

 

[TheHorde]

Throw Terrence Ross in the 60’s and they’d accuse him of witchcraft.

Umm ok

 

[KembaSlice]

Fewer roster spots would mean for example only the best 100-120 players would find roster spots, no?

There was just less high quality basketball players overall. If you don't think the overall talent pool now is way higher than back then, I don't know what to tell you. There were no International players back then, etc

 

[TheHorde]

There was just less high quality basketball players overall. If you don't think the overall talent pool now is way higher than back then, I don't know what to tell you. There were no International players back then, etc

The athleticism level is undoubtedly higher now as a whole. The fundamentals are more debatable. And the talent pool is spread thinner over double or triple the amount of teams. The folks at Bleacher Report measured eras and came to the conclusion that the 1980s and 1990s were the two greatest eras. Sometimes folks suffer from Recency Bias.

 

[TheHorde]

There was just less high quality basketball players overall. If you don't think the overall talent pool now is way higher than back then, I don't know what to tell you. There were no International players back then, etc

There also were international players in the Olympics back in the day that American college kids would flog every four years. And those players were mature grown men.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

The athleticism level is undoubtedly higher now as a whole. The fundamentals are more debatable. And the talent pool is spread thinner over double or triple the amount of teams. The folks at Bleacher Report measured eras and came to the conclusion that the 1980s and 1990s were the two greatest eras. Sometimes folks suffer from Recency Bias.

I believe that article came out in 2011, and did not measure the 2010’s.

 

[TheHorde]

I believe that article came out in 2011, and did not measure the 2010’s.

Ranking Each Decade of NBA Basketball, from the 1960s to Today

Throughout NBA history, we've experienced the purity of the 1960s, the creativity and growth of the '70s , the sheer competitive nature of the '80s, the on-court brilliance ...

syndication.bleacherreport.com

It came out in 2013, and did include the 2010s.

 

[CardiacAndre7]

Ranking Each Decade of NBA Basketball, from the 1960s to Today

Throughout NBA history, we've experienced the purity of the 1960s, the creativity and growth of the '70s , the sheer competitive nature of the '80s, the on-court brilliance ...

syndication.bleacherreport.com

It came out in 2013, and did include the 2010s.

Well, that’s pretty paradoxical. Included a decade that they were less than a third into.

 

[TheHorde]

Well, that’s pretty paradoxical. Included a decade that they were less than a third into.

I mean the wheel wasn’t invented this decade or last, but it still is pretty nifty.

 

[Inyatkin]

Fewer roster spots would mean for example only the best 100-120 players would find roster spots, no?

Yes, and when basketball was invented there was only one team, which means the highest talent level ever!

 

[HuskyWarrior611]

2012-2013 LeBron was a different beast. Insanely strong and fast, and was like 275. NBA version of Bo.

Yeah he was a tank in his athletic peak.

2nd go around Cavs Lebron is probably my personal favorite. That one seemed like he was always in full control of a game. That was his 95-97 Jordan time but it got ruined by KD to the Warriors.

 

[TheHorde]

Yes, and when basketball was invented there was only one team, which means the highest talent level ever!

See comments above on the best eras from Bleacher Report. Sorry but it wasn’t the 2010s!

 

[navery12]

I mean the wheel wasn’t invented this decade or last, but it still is pretty nifty.

You should quit digging. Using an article written before half of the elite players from that decade were even drafted is stupid

 

[TheHorde]

You should quit digging. Using an article written before half of the elite players from that decade were even drafted is stupid

What’s stupid is that you’re hurling an insult without refuting the article’s points. No thanks I won’t.