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If the ACC continues this trajectory they will be slimier and smuttier than the SEC by Christmas
 

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I don't think the ACC really has a hand in that - by and large, it's not the SEC.

They've let one school go plain rogue here, though. (Although, I guess Miami is rouge by nature, Georgia Tech is on probation for roguish behavior and North Carolina doesn't require student to even know how to spell rogue.....actually, you're right. These cats are like an bizarro SEC where everyone cheats and most of them lose anyway.)

The ass-covering at FSU started in earnest today, but good lord, Winston is a one-man crime spree.

I'm guessing a fair number of heads will not survive the inquest and the outside scrutiny. The Tallahassee PD might be about to receive an overhaul as well.
 
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An open letter to the Florida State University community:

In the face of misinformation in the media during the past 10 months, Florida State University has maintained a deliberate silence about how we have handled the sexual assault allegation made against a prominent athlete. The University has remained silent for one reason: To protect our students, who are after all our highest priority.

But as we expect other stories to appear, it is abundantly clear that the continual drumbeat of misinformation about the University's actions causes harm to our students, faculty, alumni, supporters and the FSU community as a whole. Because of this, and within the constraints of state and federal privacy laws, we want to share with you more detail to set the record straight.

Below is a general timeline of how the University became aware of the allegation and how it responded. As you read through the following, we ask that you keep in mind that these events unfolded at a time when FSU, like all American colleges and universities, was adjusting to new guidance from the federal government on preventing student sexual misconduct under Title IX.

· Immediately after being alerted to a possible sexual assault of a student, the FSU Police Department ("FSUPD") responded and determined the alleged incident occurred off campus.

· FSUPD notified the Tallahassee Police Department, which assumed jurisdiction. At this point, the suspect was unidentified.

· The FSUPD also alerted the university's Victim Advocate Program, which dispatched an advocate to meet the complainant and her family at the Tallahassee Memorial Hospital emergency room.

· The Victim Advocate Program serves as the first point of contact on campus for victims of sexual assault. Its advocates are bound by client confidentiality protection under Florida law and they work behind the scenes. They routinely inform victims how to pursue criminal and student conduct proceedings; offer emotional support and validation; give referrals to other resources; and assist with logistical help, such as contacting professors and rescheduling exams. FSU has used this confidential "victim-centered" approach, now being recommended by the White House and Congressional leaders, for nearly 20 years.

· The first time anyone at FSU outside the campus police and Victim Advocate Program learned about the alleged sexual assault was in January 2013, when a Tallahassee PD detective called the athlete on his cellphone. The athlete immediately notified the Athletics Department, where officials referred him and his family to a Tallahassee attorney.

· Shortly thereafter, the attorney informed the Athletics Department that TPD was no longer pursuing the case.

· The Athletics Department also considered accounts by the athlete and two other FSU student athletes who were present at the encounter. All three independently described it as consensual. Based on that and the TPD's decision, the Athletics Department did not file a report with the University's Title IX administrator or the Office of Student Rights and Responsibilities.

· Although victim advocates continued to provide services and to have confidential interactions with the complainant for months, they were duty-bound not to share any of the information with FSU Title IX officials. Those officials knew nothing about the matter until November 2013, when TPD notified the University it had received media inquiries and was referring the suspended case to the State Attorney's Office for review.

· The University immediately took steps to protect the complainant's privacy and safety. The University advised the complainant about impending news stories. FSUPD provided additional security detail for her sorority. The Registrar put her publicly available contact information on "lock down." And the FSU General Counsel persuaded the student newspaper on deadline not to publish the name of the complainant.

· The University conducted a Title IX investigation. FSU once again reached out to the complainant to ascertain her wishes but was told by her local attorney to cease all contact with her client. The University reviewed voluminous documents released by the State Attorney's Office in mid-December 2013 after the State Attorney announced that he would not bring criminal charges against the athlete. These documents included sworn affidavits, investigative reports, detailed text messaging records, recorded interviews, forensic lab reports, and toxicology and DNA results.

· As reported in the media, FSU's Title IX Office also met with the athlete on January 23, 2014, even in the absence of a complaint, but he declined to make a statement at that time.

· On February 10, 2014, with neither party offering additional information to the investigative public record, FSU found that there was insufficient evidence to support a finding in the Title IX investigation at this time. Importantly, the ruling expressly left the door open for reconsideration if further information was brought forth.

· Also in February 2014, the complainant's attorneys asked the University to preserve documents under a litigation hold, indicating FSU would be facing a civil lawsuit by the complainant.

· In April 2014, as disclosed by the complainant's attorney and widely reported in the media, the U.S. Dept. of Education Office of Civil Rights initiated a Title IX investigation of the University's handling of the case as well as all of its Title IX processes.

· In May 2014, FSU brought student conduct charges for invasion of privacy against the two athletes who witnessed the sexual encounter. At the University's invitation, the complainant appeared at the May 20 hearing and testified about the incident. During the complainant's visit, FSU reiterated its willingness to take her statement about the athlete she alleged
had assaulted her.

· As disclosed by the complainant's attorney and widely reported in the media, on Aug. 6, 2014--after multiple requests by FSU over the previous 20 months--the attorney agreed to make the complainant available for an interview. Based on her statement, the University reopened a confidential Title IX investigation and, once again, sought a statement from the
athlete.

· In a letter to the University that was widely publicized by the media, the athlete's attorney informed FSU his client would cooperate with the investigation but raised doubts as to whether the University could guarantee his right to due process. The attorney argued that the University had been compromised by an "untenable conflict of interest," in which it had to find the
athlete responsible or else face a civil lawsuit, sanctions from the federal government and public and media criticism.

· As we approach a final resolution of the complaint, we remain committed to investigating this matter in accordance with our Title IX obligations and will proceed in a manner that preserves the rights of both parties despite the difficult circumstances.
-----

The University takes sexual assault very seriously. The University is also cooperating fully with the U.S. Dept. of Education investigation into this matter. Indeed, it was the University that informed the DOE nearly six months ago about the Athletics Department knowledge of the case.

Meanwhile, as a result of our own review, we have begun enhancing our training and examining our policies while putting into place concrete changes. These changes are aimed at reducing sexual assault and sexual violence, as well as strengthening our response to sexual assault complaints under Title IX. More information on our programs and services can be found at https://smr.fsu.edu/.

We did not want you to confuse our silence with idleness, a lack of caring or, as some have alleged, an institutional conspiracy to protect a star athlete. We hope what we've shared with you establishes otherwise.
 

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Fishy, you have this all wrong. That NYT story is part of Fisher's recruiting package. He wants players to know that they can do literally anything they want as long as they win.
 
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I am not surprised yet shaking my head. College sports is a business just as much as Ford, Walmart, etc. except with much more emotion thrown it. I know it happens in many areas of life where power abuses the system, but it's shameless that our universities are allowing other people to be abused and lives ruined. Whether it's PSU, Florida or FSU it's disgusting. I never want my state school to support crime in the name of sports.

I wonder how many FSU players could survive in an academic environment which required legitimate classes where they are held accountable for their grades, just like other students. My guess is many would not last a full semester. I remember my first year business class. We started with 40 and were down to 15 by years end and this included many bright people. We were told that 2/3's of us would be gone by senior year and at the time I laughed, thinking it was bull s...
 
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An open letter to the Florida State University community:

In the face of misinformation in the media during the past 10 months, Florida State University has maintained a deliberate silence about how we have handled the s e xual assault allegation made against a prominent athlete. The University has remained silent for one reason: To protect our students, who are after all our highest priority.

But as we expect other stories to appear, it is abundantly clear that the continual drumbeat of misinformation about the University's actions causes harm to our students, faculty, alumni, supporters and the FSU community as a whole. Because of this, and within the constraints of state and federal privacy laws, we want to share with you more detail to set the record straight.

Below is a general timeline of how the University became aware of the allegation and how it responded. As you read through the following, we ask that you keep in mind that these events unfolded at a time when FSU, like all American colleges and universities, was adjusting to new guidance from the federal government on preventing student s e xual misconduct under Title IX.

· Immediately after being alerted to a possible s e xual assault of a student, the FSU Police Department ("FSUPD") responded and determined the alleged incident occurred off campus.

· FSUPD notified the Tallahassee Police Department, which assumed jurisdiction. At this point, the suspect was unidentified.

· The FSUPD also alerted the university's Victim Advocate Program, which dispatched an advocate to meet the complainant and her family at the Tallahassee Memorial Hospital emergency room.

· The Victim Advocate Program serves as the first point of contact on campus for victims of s e xual assault. Its advocates are bound by client confidentiality protection under Florida law and they work behind the scenes. They routinely inform victims how to pursue criminal and student conduct proceedings; offer emotional support and validation; give referrals to other resources; and assist with logistical help, such as contacting professors and rescheduling exams. FSU has used this confidential "victim-centered" approach, now being recommended by the White House and Congressional leaders, for nearly 20 years.

· The first time anyone at FSU outside the campus police and Victim Advocate Program learned about the alleged s e xual assault was in January 2013, when a Tallahassee PD detective called the athlete on his cellphone. The athlete immediately notified the Athletics Department, where officials referred him and his family to a Tallahassee attorney.

· Shortly thereafter, the attorney informed the Athletics Department that TPD was no longer pursuing the case.

· The Athletics Department also considered accounts by the athlete and two other FSU student athletes who were present at the encounter. All three independently described it as consensual. Based on that and the TPD's decision, the Athletics Department did not file a report with the University's Title IX administrator or the Office of Student Rights and Responsibilities.

· Although victim advocates continued to provide services and to have confidential interactions with the complainant for months, they were duty-bound not to share any of the information with FSU Title IX officials. Those officials knew nothing about the matter until November 2013, when TPD notified the University it had received media inquiries and was referring the suspended case to the State Attorney's Office for review.

· The University immediately took steps to protect the complainant's privacy and safety. The University advised the complainant about impending news stories. FSUPD provided additional security detail for her sorority. The Registrar put her publicly available contact information on "lock down." And the FSU General Counsel persuaded the student newspaper on deadline not to publish the name of the complainant.

· The University conducted a Title IX investigation. FSU once again reached out to the complainant to ascertain her wishes but was told by her local attorney to cease all contact with her client. The University reviewed voluminous documents released by the State Attorney's Office in mid-December 2013 after the State Attorney announced that he would not bring criminal charges against the athlete. These documents included sworn affidavits, investigative reports, detailed text messaging records, recorded interviews, forensic lab reports, and toxicology and DNA results.

· As reported in the media, FSU's Title IX Office also met with the athlete on January 23, 2014, even in the absence of a complaint, but he declined to make a statement at that time.

· On February 10, 2014, with neither party offering additional information to the investigative public record, FSU found that there was insufficient evidence to support a finding in the Title IX investigation at this time. Importantly, the ruling expressly left the door open for reconsideration if further information was brought forth.

· Also in February 2014, the complainant's attorneys asked the University to preserve documents under a litigation hold, indicating FSU would be facing a civil lawsuit by the complainant.

· In April 2014, as disclosed by the complainant's attorney and widely reported in the media, the U.S. Dept. of Education Office of Civil Rights initiated a Title IX investigation of the University's handling of the case as well as all of its Title IX processes.

· In May 2014, FSU brought student conduct charges for invasion of privacy against the two athletes who witnessed the s e xual encounter. At the University's invitation, the complainant appeared at the May 20 hearing and testified about the incident. During the complainant's visit, FSU reiterated its willingness to take her statement about the athlete she alleged
had assaulted her.

· As disclosed by the complainant's attorney and widely reported in the media, on Aug. 6, 2014--after multiple requests by FSU over the previous 20 months--the attorney agreed to make the complainant available for an interview. Based on her statement, the University reopened a confidential Title IX investigation and, once again, sought a statement from the
athlete.

· In a letter to the University that was widely publicized by the media, the athlete's attorney informed FSU his client would cooperate with the investigation but raised doubts as to whether the University could guarantee his right to due process. The attorney argued that the University had been compromised by an "untenable conflict of interest," in which it had to find the
athlete responsible or else face a civil lawsuit, sanctions from the federal government and public and media criticism.

· As we approach a final resolution of the complaint, we remain committed to investigating this matter in accordance with our Title IX obligations and will proceed in a manner that preserves the rights of both parties despite the difficult circumstances.
-----

The University takes s e xual assault very seriously. The University is also cooperating fully with the U.S. Dept. of Education investigation into this matter. Indeed, it was the University that informed the DOE nearly six months ago about the Athletics Department knowledge of the case.

Meanwhile, as a result of our own review, we have begun enhancing our training and examining our policies while putting into place concrete changes. These changes are aimed at reducing s e xual assault and s e xual violence, as well as strengthening our response to s e xual assault complaints under Title IX. More information on our programs and services can be found at https://smr.fsu.edu/.

We did not want you to confuse our silence with idleness, a lack of caring or, as some have alleged, an institutional conspiracy to protect a star athlete. We hope what we've shared with you establishes otherwise.

Good, clean fun. Boys being boys. Nothing to see here.

Fuchsing New York media. Hating on tradition.

Anyway, good luck this season. Game day should drown out this nonsense right quick.
 

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The outside world's perception is FSU's reality. You do not necessarily have the right to remain silent in the court of public opinion. Either own it or defend it, but don't hide behind protecting our students, because FSU is only hanging their common students out to dry.
 

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I actually am surprised. I am amazed how effective they have been in keeping so much of this crap quiet in today's social media environment. I get how they can control information in the 80s and 90s...surprising they can do it today. But....considering how shocking this story is, ESPN is still barely talking about this. It shows you how the broader culture is a much to blame as FSU.

This won't end well for FSU. You have to wonder if their national title is at risk.
 

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FSU will ride this out. It would take an outraged citizenry to push any investigations and reforms. Tallahassee is full of boot-lickers like our boy billybud.
 

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An open letter to the Florida State University community:

In the face of misinformation in the media during the past 10 months, Florida State University has maintained a deliberate silence about how we have handled the s e xual assault allegation made against a prominent athlete. The University has remained silent for one reason: To protect our students, who are after all our highest priority.

But as we expect other stories to appear, it is abundantly clear that the continual drumbeat of misinformation about the University's actions causes harm to our students, faculty, alumni, supporters and the FSU community as a whole. Because of this, and within the constraints of state and federal privacy laws, we want to share with you more detail to set the record straight.

Below is a general timeline of how the University became aware of the allegation and how it responded. As you read through the following, we ask that you keep in mind that these events unfolded at a time when FSU, like all American colleges and universities, was adjusting to new guidance from the federal government on preventing student s e xual misconduct under Title IX.

· Immediately after being alerted to a possible s e xual assault of a student, the FSU Police Department ("FSUPD") responded and determined the alleged incident occurred off campus.

· FSUPD notified the Tallahassee Police Department, which assumed jurisdiction. At this point, the suspect was unidentified.

· The FSUPD also alerted the university's Victim Advocate Program, which dispatched an advocate to meet the complainant and her family at the Tallahassee Memorial Hospital emergency room.

· The Victim Advocate Program serves as the first point of contact on campus for victims of s e xual assault. Its advocates are bound by client confidentiality protection under Florida law and they work behind the scenes. They routinely inform victims how to pursue criminal and student conduct proceedings; offer emotional support and validation; give referrals to other resources; and assist with logistical help, such as contacting professors and rescheduling exams. FSU has used this confidential "victim-centered" approach, now being recommended by the White House and Congressional leaders, for nearly 20 years.

· The first time anyone at FSU outside the campus police and Victim Advocate Program learned about the alleged s e xual assault was in January 2013, when a Tallahassee PD detective called the athlete on his cellphone. The athlete immediately notified the Athletics Department, where officials referred him and his family to a Tallahassee attorney.

· Shortly thereafter, the attorney informed the Athletics Department that TPD was no longer pursuing the case.

· The Athletics Department also considered accounts by the athlete and two other FSU student athletes who were present at the encounter. All three independently described it as consensual. Based on that and the TPD's decision, the Athletics Department did not file a report with the University's Title IX administrator or the Office of Student Rights and Responsibilities.

· Although victim advocates continued to provide services and to have confidential interactions with the complainant for months, they were duty-bound not to share any of the information with FSU Title IX officials. Those officials knew nothing about the matter until November 2013, when TPD notified the University it had received media inquiries and was referring the suspended case to the State Attorney's Office for review.

· The University immediately took steps to protect the complainant's privacy and safety. The University advised the complainant about impending news stories. FSUPD provided additional security detail for her sorority. The Registrar put her publicly available contact information on "lock down." And the FSU General Counsel persuaded the student newspaper on deadline not to publish the name of the complainant.

· The University conducted a Title IX investigation. FSU once again reached out to the complainant to ascertain her wishes but was told by her local attorney to cease all contact with her client. The University reviewed voluminous documents released by the State Attorney's Office in mid-December 2013 after the State Attorney announced that he would not bring criminal charges against the athlete. These documents included sworn affidavits, investigative reports, detailed text messaging records, recorded interviews, forensic lab reports, and toxicology and DNA results.

· As reported in the media, FSU's Title IX Office also met with the athlete on January 23, 2014, even in the absence of a complaint, but he declined to make a statement at that time.

· On February 10, 2014, with neither party offering additional information to the investigative public record, FSU found that there was insufficient evidence to support a finding in the Title IX investigation at this time. Importantly, the ruling expressly left the door open for reconsideration if further information was brought forth.

· Also in February 2014, the complainant's attorneys asked the University to preserve documents under a litigation hold, indicating FSU would be facing a civil lawsuit by the complainant.

· In April 2014, as disclosed by the complainant's attorney and widely reported in the media, the U.S. Dept. of Education Office of Civil Rights initiated a Title IX investigation of the University's handling of the case as well as all of its Title IX processes.

· In May 2014, FSU brought student conduct charges for invasion of privacy against the two athletes who witnessed the s e xual encounter. At the University's invitation, the complainant appeared at the May 20 hearing and testified about the incident. During the complainant's visit, FSU reiterated its willingness to take her statement about the athlete she alleged
had assaulted her.

· As disclosed by the complainant's attorney and widely reported in the media, on Aug. 6, 2014--after multiple requests by FSU over the previous 20 months--the attorney agreed to make the complainant available for an interview. Based on her statement, the University reopened a confidential Title IX investigation and, once again, sought a statement from the
athlete.

· In a letter to the University that was widely publicized by the media, the athlete's attorney informed FSU his client would cooperate with the investigation but raised doubts as to whether the University could guarantee his right to due process. The attorney argued that the University had been compromised by an "untenable conflict of interest," in which it had to find the
athlete responsible or else face a civil lawsuit, sanctions from the federal government and public and media criticism.

· As we approach a final resolution of the complaint, we remain committed to investigating this matter in accordance with our Title IX obligations and will proceed in a manner that preserves the rights of both parties despite the difficult circumstances.
-----

The University takes s e xual assault very seriously. The University is also cooperating fully with the U.S. Dept. of Education investigation into this matter. Indeed, it was the University that informed the DOE nearly six months ago about the Athletics Department knowledge of the case.

Meanwhile, as a result of our own review, we have begun enhancing our training and examining our policies while putting into place concrete changes. These changes are aimed at reducing s e xual assault and s e xual violence, as well as strengthening our response to s e xual assault complaints under Title IX. More information on our programs and services can be found at https://smr.fsu.edu/.

We did not want you to confuse our silence with idleness, a lack of caring or, as some have alleged, an institutional conspiracy to protect a star athlete. We hope what we've shared with you establishes otherwise.

In short, in Tallahassee, "no" means "yes". Got it.
 
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Who knew that our pellet/gate and beer/gate incidents had us going in the right direction until Edsall went and screwed us by cleaning things up. Damn Edsall.
 

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Florida State released a statement and told Jameis he was going to have to defend himself on disciplinary charges just as soon as they found out the New York Times was going to drop the world on their heads.

This is always nice. There's been hiding, hampering and hindering in paradise.

Florida State University officials and Tallahassee police took steps to both hide, and then hinder, the criminal investigation into a rape allegation against the school's Heisman-trophy winning quarterback Jameis Winston last fall, a FOX Sports investigation has found.
 

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I actually am surprised. I am amazed how effective they have been in keeping so much of this crap quiet in today's social media environment. I get how they can control information in the 80s and 90s...surprising they can do it today. But....considering how shocking this story is, ESPN is still barely talking about this. It shows you how the broader culture is a much to blame as FSU.

This won't end well for FSU. You have to wonder if their national title is at risk.

Sports "journalism" is rapidly becoming like political "journalism" (similar to FOX news vs MSNBC news). ESPiN, with huge obvious large investments in the ACC and SEC, has been dusting this and Gurley's issues under the rug. But God forbid the B1G lose a few football games. I've honestly heard more about the B1G conference struggles than I have about Winston, Gurley, UNCheat, ND, etc. In fact, the GameDay crew couldn't stop tripping over themselves to admire how well Winston plays in the face of adversity.

I've said this before and say again: I am SO thankful that we don't have a POS like Winston representing UCONN. I hope that our university will ALWAYS put right and justice ahead of a few wins.
 
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It is unfortunate that our federal government has become so hampered by partisan warfare that it is incapable of stepping in. I do not know what happened in Winston's case, and will make no judgments as to his criminal culpability in the case of the incident that is the focus of this. But whatever his culpability is, the fact is that female students at colleges and universities are not safe if they happen to come across athletes who make their schools lots of money.

The federal government should solve this problem. And, as they did in the 60s, if it takes leaders of universities to be thrown in jail for contempt, or troops to protect my neices and neighbors daughters against athletes who make money for their states, so be it.

P.S. The more I let the article sink in, the angrier I am getting. The City of Tallahassee lets police officers take money from the booster clubs? The corruption behind supporting money making college athletics has become absurd. I love college sports, but does my fandom allow victims of crimes to feel like they have no remedies when they are victimized by an athlete? It honestly deserves thought about whether it would be morally better for me to root for Trinity or Yale. How do I -- how do we -- justify being part of a system that leaves crime victims helpless and bitter?
 
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It is unfortunate that our federal government has become so hampered by partisan warfare that it is incapable of stepping in. I do not know what happened in Winston's case, and will make no judgments as to his criminal culpability in the case of the incident that is the focus of this. But whatever his culpability is, the fact is that female students at colleges and universities are not safe if they happen to come across athletes who make their schools lots of money.

The federal government should solve this problem. And, as they did in the 60s, if it takes leaders of universities to be thrown in jail for contempt, or troops to protect my neices and neighbors daughters against athletes who make money for their states, so be it.

Well said, BL. I know that UCONN can't plead complete innocence either. I have no idea what happened with Lyle McCombs under Pasqualoni's watch, but there sure seemed to be a considerable amount of smoke over him. Not to mention, there was the settled lawsuit against UCONN over the summer. But holy , some schools really have sold their souls to the sports business devil. Penn State, Florida State, UNC, Notre Dame, have all had recent legal issues and then you had Barry Switzer talking about past Oklahoma cover-ups. All of these on the heels of the recent explosion of domestic violence and child abuse charges going on in the NFL.

I want UCONN to compete against the best and in the P5 someday. But I NEVER want UCONN to cover up the likes of criminal and academic activity witnessed at the aforementioned schools (and plenty of schools that I did not mention). It really does appear that "winning the right way" (i.e. - without some sort of criminal act or cover-up) is growing increasingly more difficult.
 
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Well said, BL. I know that UCONN can't plead complete innocence either. I have no idea what happened with Lyle McCombs under Pasqualoni's watch, but there sure seemed to be a considerable amount of smoke over him. Not to mention, there was the settled lawsuit against UCONN over the summer. But holy , some schools really have sold their souls to the sports business devil. Penn State, Florida State, UNC, Notre Dame, have all had recent legal issues and then you had Barry Switzer talking about past Oklahoma cover-ups. All of these on the heels of the recent explosion of domestic violence and child abuse charges going on in the NFL.

I want UCONN to compete against the best and in the P5 someday. But I NEVER want UCONN to cover up the likes of criminal and academic activity witnessed at the aforementioned schools (and plenty of schools that I did not mention). It really does appear that "winning the right way" (i.e. - without some sort of criminal act or cover-up) is growing increasingly more difficult.

Read the last paragraph I just added. I do not think no blame comes to UConn. And I do not think no blame comes from fans like me sitting here watching college football on a Saturday afternoon.
 

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I really hope that UConn's horrific conference situation doesn't result in compromising the integrity of the program. Probably not popular to say on here, but at one point I was worried about the direction of Calhoun's program during the Wiggins/Miles era. I am glad that was more an anomaly than a trend.

I believe that SH and WM have fostered a culture of integrity. It would be really bad if the football team was cheating and they sucked. I think they just suck...lol.
 

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I really hope that UConn's horrific conference situation doesn't result in compromising the integrity of the program. Probably not popular to say on here, but at one point I was worried about the direction of Calhoun's program during the Wiggins/Miles era. I am glad that was more an anomaly than a trend.

I believe that SH and WM have fostered a culture of integrity. It would be really bad if the football team was cheating and they sucked. I think they just suck...lol.

Couldn't agree more about Calhoun. I, too, was worried. The laptops, Miles, Wiggins and APR stuff really had concerned me too.
 
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After reading the reports again, I may have to stop following college athletics.
Florida State should be sued. Their athletic department should be shut down.
You expect dumb and arrogant jocks to pull this sheet, but when the school covers it up and hinders the investigation.....if this were UCONN, I would tell them to take my season tickets and shove it. Also, no donations until the house was cleaned
 
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I haven't read a lot of material. All I had to see were the good old boys yucking it up on national tv when their Heisman candidate was cleared of charges. It was disgraceful beyond words.
 

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I've always thought Florida State Criminoles was funny. Lol.
 
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