The Big 12 will not remain a power conference post-2025

[John Greene]

Power conferences don't lose programs such as Texas, TAMU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Mizzou, Colorado...

I'd put Vandy way over Memphis.

If you would put Vandy ahead of Memphis in anything but academics you have clearly never attended a game in any sport at Vandy.

 

[CL82]

Based on whatever I am reading from other non Big 12 fanbases and the media, the existence of Mormons will keep it a P5 conference.

Always tough to bet against Joe Smith.

 

[Smp7598]

I do agree with this. If it remains a power conference (highly unlikely) with Kansas, WVU, and BYU still in it, then we should quietly put our hat in the ring. My only fear is that the last two schools may bolt and then I would not want anything to do with it.

Nobody wants Uconn when are people going to realize it? The party is over! Uconn is where they are going to be.

 

[shizzle787]

Nobody wants Uconn when are people going to realize it? The party is over! Uconn is where they are going to be.

UConn is a state flagship with an excellent athletic department, huge athletic budget, excellent academics, and no in-state rivals. There is a lot to like. If Colorado State is mentioned in the conversation, we are definitely more attractive than them.

 

[Smp7598]

UConn is a state flagship with an excellent athletic department, huge athletic budget, excellent academics, and no in-state rivals. There is a lot to like. If Colorado State is mentioned in the conversation, we are definitely more attractive than them.

Had 11 years to right the ship! It’s over!

 

[BlueDogs]

The Big 12 is kind of a hybrid P5/G5 football league. Better than the AAC, but not as good as the P5 leagues from both a performance and brand standpoint.

Word on the street is they are going to pick up Memphis and Boise State. The conference will be plenty strong and they may move even further on a super conference with a projected $25M revenue share. So, I'm not sure dumping on the Big12 and $25M rev share is wise given a paltry $4M from the NBE. Any school in the NBE would move in a second if they could unless they are philosophically committed to being poor.

 

[shizzle787]

Word on the street is they are going to pick up Memphis and Boise State. The conference will be plenty strong and they may move even further on a super conference with a projected $25M revenue share. So, I'm not sure dumping on the Big12 and $25M rev share is wise given a paltry $4M from the NBE. Any school in the NBE would move in a second if they could unless they are philosophically committed to being poor.

I don't think they will add any more. It would be a revenue hit to split the pie 14 ways instead of 12. Also, I don't think the Big 12 is only going to lose 10-20% of their current contract. I personally believe it will be closer to 30-40%.

 

[BapeKidd88]

Nobody wants Uconn when are people going to realize it? The party is over! Uconn is where they are going to be.

This is true.

Dave Benedict is like 'One-Eyed Willie' in "The Goonies".

When he chose the nuclear football option, he effectively barricaded UConn into a non-P5 Cave.

And that's where UConn sports will rest... forever.

 

[MilliniumPrince]

And as such, we should have no longings for it.

The Big 12 will remain (and possibly improve) a major basketball league. It will NOT be a P4 league because it lacks 1) major brands and 2) a perennial top 10 team.

If you look at each of the P4 conferences, they have the #1 and #2 teams brand-wise in most states.

Pac-12:
CA:1-4
AZ:1-2
OR:1-2
WA:1-2 (Gonzaga doesn't play football)
CO:1
UT: 2 (BYU has a bigger brand than Utah)

ACC:
FL: 2-3
GA: 2
SC: 1
NC: 1-4
KY: 2 (Kentucky and Louisville are basically a toss-up but tie goes to flagship)
VA: 1-2
NY: 1
MA: 1
PA: 2

B1G:
WI: 1
MN: 1
IA: 1
IL: 1-2
MI: 1-2
OH: 1
IN: 2-3
NE: 1
MD: 1
PA: 1
NJ: 1

SEC:
TX: 1-2
OK: 1
MO: 1
AR: 1
TN: 1,3 (Memphis is probably #2 ahead of Vandy)
KY: 1
GA: 1
FL: 1
MS: 1-2
LA: 1
AL: 1-2
SC: 2

And then the Big 12 (notice something different):
UT: 1
KS: 1-2
WV: 1
OK: 2
FL: 4
TX: 3-6
IA: 2
OH: 2

41% of the schools in the new Big 12 are not in the top 2 brands in their state and only 3 of the schools are the #1 brand in their states. The only really good brands in the conference are BYU, WVU, Kansas, and maybe Oklahoma State. On top of that, the three states where they have the #1 brand are small states.

Yet, they will make more than double the money we do annually. People here act like our AD isn't running major deficits. We cannot compete as a big-time program while making pennies on the dollar.

 

[UConnJim]

UConn is just not a geographical fit for the Big 12. Here are the air miles to Dallas (I picked one location in the Big 12) from each expansion candidate.

224 Houston
431 Memphis
641 Colorado St.
812 Cincinnati
929 USF
985 UCF
989 BYU
1061 ECU
1171 San Diego St.
1272 Boise St.
1471 UConn


By the way, for all of you who thought AAC travel was bad, here are the flight distances to the Big 12 schools from Hartford:

411 West Virginia
661 Cincinnati
979 Iowa State
1050 UCF
1169 Kansas
1273 Kansas State
1415 Oklahoma State
1471 TCU
1507 Houston
1529 Baylor
1684 Texas Tech
2026 BYU

Remember, a Big 12 move would be for all sports. How do these travel distances make any sense for UConn or the Big 12?

 

[Adios]

Why are we discussing D1 football? Let's talk about reigniting our rivalries with Wesleyan and Trinity. And also hire Connecticut College's soccer coach. Can't wait to play Coast Guard along the Thames.

 

[Bongo Fury]

The ACC might have to pick up UCONN to elevate their BB . Big 12 is looking strong in BB. UCONN/Duke, UCONN/Cuse and UCONN/ND rivalries!

 

[BapeKidd88]

The networks are all steering the Big 12 expansion (with the steady hand of Oliver Luck).

 

[shizzle787]

The networks are all steering the Big 12 expansion (with the steady hand of Oliver Luck).

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The first part is probably true but this Swaim guy is notoriously unreliable.

 

[Pudge]

Had 11 years to right the ship! It’s over!

You are only talking football right?

We will have another MBB National Championship before whatever school you root for. And we are likely going to - once again - have a MBB & WBB double hoop national championship parade again. So ... shrug. Football can be fixed

 

[Smp7598]

You are only talking football right?

We will have another MBB National Championship before whatever school you root for. And we are likely going to - once again - have a MBB & WBB double hoop national championship parade again. So ... shrug. Football can be fixed

I have been following this board forever and all I hear is football is all that matters!

 

[Pudge]

I have been following this board forever and all I hear is football is all that matters!

pffffffffffffft

You - with your 24 posts - have finally krept out of your kerflunkt Kave.

 

[How Sway?!]

Word on the street is they are going to pick up Memphis and Boise State. The conference will be plenty strong and they may move even further on a super conference with a projected $25M revenue share. So, I'm not sure dumping on the Big12 and $25M rev share is wise given a paltry $4M from the NBE. Any school in the NBE would move in a second if they could unless they are philosophically committed to being poor.

There's no way the new B12 gets anywhere close to $25MM per school. Maybe $15MM. If we were to join that conference, the travel costs would dig into any extra revenue we would get.

 

[shizzle787]

There's no way the new B12 gets anywhere close to $25MM per school. Maybe $15MM. If we were to join that conference, the travel costs would dig into any extra revenue we would get.

My guess is between 17-18 million all in.

 

[UConnJim]

My guess is between 17-18 million all in.

There are other revenue sources that could dry up for the Big 12. Right now, the Big 12 is contracted with the Sugar Bowl to play an SEC team. An expanded playoff could roll in the major bowls meaning the Big 12 could go from a playoff spot plus the Sugar Bowl to just getting a playoff spot.

 

[Adios]

The Big 12 is essentially a "flyover" version of the ACC that expands 2000 miles. And has Mormons and Protestants as opposed to Catholics.

They'd be stupid to not add Memphis and Boise State right now.

 

[Kolumbo]

The author also has some interesting comments after the article.

"Refusing to expand the Playoff hurts the SEC mildly, but the SEC will be fine, because its conference champion will always make the four-team Playoff. And refusing to expand the Playoff probably hurts the other three leagues more than it helps them, except in one key aspect: it pretty much kills off the Big 12, or at least it makes the conference non-viable as a “power” conference. And by refusing to expand, the Big 10, Pac-12, and ACC effectively just put the screws to the remaining Big 12 members. Whenever Texas and Oklahoma officially depart the Big 12 for the SEC, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma State, TCU, Texas Tech, and West Virginia will no longer be considered among the Haves of the sport. They’ll be sharing a league with BYU, Cincinnati, Houston, and UCF, four schools that the Haves very much want you to know are the Have-Nots."

The Alliance is really about killing off the Big 12 - Anchor Of Gold

 

[huskymedic]

In any respect… done deal.

 

[Yup!]

In any respect… done deal.

It’s aggravating that we’re still out.

 

[Pudge]

nahhh

it is what it is

O. I am happy for the Cincinnati Bearcats