Kentucky Not Ranked

[intlzncster]

Cal's a better basketball coach than most here give him credit for. He's not an otherworldly, but he's still quite good. Yes, he's got the best talent (along w Duke) going, but he still has to remake a team every year. And he gets these ego/star players to play together by the end of the year.

He should never be compared to K. Nobody should at this point. Guys like Roy Williams are better coaches, but Cal is still legit.

Goign to shower now

 

[Tex-Lager93]

It's just not a championship model - although he's always around there and got the one in 2012. I remember that one team we had with maybe the most highly *rated talent ever - the Marcus Williams, Rudy Gay team. We squeaked past Washington and lost to Mason. It was frustrating - but highlights the challenge of managing the one or two and done teams.

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

The last two UNC teams have been built on a culture of signing nasty players out of high school and then keeping them against all odds to their junior and senior seasons. Incidentally, that might have something to do with why their recruiting has dropped off.

There are multiple ways to skin a cat. The top three teams in KenPom right now are Nova, Purdue, and Virginia. I don't think the Duke model where they take the best three high school basketball players on the planet every year will be going out of style any time soon, either. Last I checked they have a pretty damn good team and could win it again this season.

Right, UNC signs nasty players out of high school that are not 1 and done talents. And I'm saying that developing players that will stay until Junior or Senior years is a clearly more successful model of winning titles than 1 and dones.

And to your other point, the 1 and done will likely be amended drastically very soon it sounds. Which would change the model for Duke and Kentucky.

 

[Austin316]

Yay! Neither are we! We’re the same!
Don’t you see?! We’re the same!

 

[polycom]

KO coached circles around many top coaches in 2014, unfortunately that was the last time we've seen it...Coach Cal is not a great in-game X's and O's coach but he is arguably the best recruiter in the country which is a huge part of a coaches job. Guy only has 1 championship but he's made plenty of final fours and I think most fans would trade KO for him in a heartbeat right now.

Yeah this is false. UConn had the best player in college basketball during March. KO didn't get in the way, I guess. Even still I'm not sure of that. KO isn't a good basketball coach he wasn't a good coach in 2014 and isn't a good coach now. The difference in 2014 might he cared a bit more.

 

[Scoe]

I wouldn't mind being 14-5 right now.

 

[Javjudah]

Can you Imagine coach Ollie with all these All Americans and talent at UCONN with the same record? The sky would be falling.

 

[Husky68]

Yeah this is false. UConn had the best player in college basketball during March. KO didn't get in the way, I guess. Even still I'm not sure of that. KO isn't a good basketball coach he wasn't a good coach in 2014 and isn't a good coach now. The difference in 2014 might he cared a bit more.

So just have the best player and get out of the way, phew, that makes it pretty easy.

 

[Paesano]

Can you Imagine coach Ollie with all these All Americans and talent at UCONN with the same record? The sky would be falling.

Nice try but, NO! The problem at Kentucky is fixable in one or two years as in, they could easily win it all in a year or two. They are in WAY better shape than we are right now. Should the fans be questioning the squid? Yeah! The guymakes over 7 million a year! So, for value, they are getting screwed too. But in terms of overall situation, they are much better off. People here would be grumbling but no one would be screaming for the guy's head. KO is done...stick a fork in him. If he had any conscience or soul, he would strike a deal with the school that would allow both to move on.

 

[UConnNick]

KO coached circles around many top coaches in 2014, unfortunately that was the last time we've seen it...Coach Cal is not a great in-game X's and O's coach but he is arguably the best recruiter in the country which is a huge part of a coaches job. Guy only has 1 championship but he's made plenty of final fours and I think most fans would trade KO for him in a heartbeat right now.

Even if it meant giving up a few more nattys, there's no way I want that slimebag repping my alma mater, as if he'd want the UCONN job. He'd only be interested in it if he suffers a Pitino-esque fall off the cliff.

 

[CAHUSKY]

Nevada is 23rd and 13th. They are a blast to watch, too.

Don't forget that two of UConn's finest have a connection to the program. CAHUSKY as a season ticket holder and Athletic Director Doug Knuth, Class of 93.

 

[UCweCONN]

I wish we had Kentucky's problems....They'll make the NCAA tournament, make Elite 8 or Sweet 16 at a minimum, and send multiple players to the NBA as first round picks. We, on the other hand.......

 

[Matrim55]

Right, UNC signs nasty players out of high school that are not 1 and done talents...

Williams has actually taken a lot of criticism lately from their fanbase over his inability to land top 10 talents, and his failure to produce top pros. This team's best player – Maye – was a fringe top 200 player out of high school, and actually walked on.

 

[SouthBayHusky]

Can you Imagine coach Ollie with all these All Americans and talent at UCONN with the same record? The sky would be falling.

Kentucky falling out of the top 25 for the first time in four years is now equal to Connecticut making the NCAA tournament one time in four seasons with back to back losing seasons???

 

[Javjudah]

Nice try but, NO! The problem at Kentucky is fixable in one or two years as in, they could easily win it all in a year or two. They are in WAY better shape than we are right now. Should the fans be questioning the squid? Yeah! The guymakes over 7 million a year! So, for value, they are getting screwed too. But in terms of overall situation, they are much better off. People here would be grumbling but no one would be screaming for the guy's head. KO is done...stick a fork in him. If he had any conscience or soul, he would strike a deal with the school that would allow both to move on.

Just give us the 2 players that's on Kentucky we should have had in Gabriel and Diallo and a healthy Gilbert and we may have been final four bound. This would have solved a lot of problems including recruiting.

 

[AdamaNation]

Have to defend him a little while also saying it's his fault. First kids don't learn the game like they used, in turn they are use natural gifts. They don't listen very well unless you find the one's that do so a full team of them has to be very difficult. But that's the model he provided the parents and the NBA dreams, how's that working for UK fans? LOL...guy can coach, not great but he's good just created his own monster.

Shows how much better a coach K is with a similar model.

And then there is poor bill Self the c grade of this group. Gets 5*s into the second round as a 1 or 2 seed and b12 champs and nothing else to show. How are the KU guys fairing in the league these days on a performance level on a whole?

 

[AdamaNation]

Can you Imagine coach Ollie with all these All Americans and talent at UCONN with the same record? The sky would be falling.

The Ollie haters would love it and see it as an obvious escort to the door.

 

[Javjudah]

Kentucky falling out of the top 25 for the first time in four years is now equal to Connecticut making the NCAA tournament one time in four seasons with back to back losing seasons???

I think you are misconstruing my point like most of Ollie haters. Give Ollie the same quality of talent that Coach Cal has and see how bad of a coach he is then. Give him the bells and whistles ala private jet he uses for recruiting while you're at it and the 5* so call dorm rooms they have for their players. Tell me what you think now.

 

[RayIsTheGOAT]

Williams has actually taken a lot of criticism lately from their fanbase over his inability to land top 10 talents, and his failure to produce top pros. This team's best player – Maye – was a fringe top 200 player out of high school, and actually walked on.

And that, to me, speaks to a great program and a great coach.
Not signing 3 of the top 8 players, then bragging about getting 4 lottery picks in one year while also making excuses in the Final Four that your team is too young.
I'm also just very biased against Calipari far more than any coach in college basketball. Especially ever since he told a recruiting story on Colin Cowherd about how he missed out on "some kid-I can't remember his name-but he ended up beating us in the Final Four". That kid was Kemba Walker. Don't act like you forgot his name, you slimy car salesman dink.

Great recruiter. Average coach. Greasy used car salesman dink. Doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Coach K, Roy Williams, Calhoun. Or even Pitino.

 

[Paesano]

I think you are misconstruing my point like most of Ollie haters. Give Ollie the same quality of talent that Coach Cal has and see how bad of a coach he is then. Give him the bells and whistles ala private jet he uses for recruiting while you're at it and the 5* so call dorm rooms they have for their players. Tell me what you think now.

He would do as bad or worse. He would pick the wrong 5 star guys most of the time while the squid picks the wrong ones some of the time. And I am not convinced KO is even as good as the mediocre squid at actual coaching.

Give Hurley squid's situation and he would do better.

 

[Javjudah]

He would do as bad or worse. He would pick the wrong 5 star guys most of the time while the squid picks the wrong ones some of the time. And I am not convinced KO is even as good as the mediocre squid at actual coaching.

Give Hurley squid's situation and he would do better.

HURLEY WILL NEVER WIN A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP. I REPEAT NEVER.

 

[Mr. French]

And that, to me, speaks to a great program and a great coach.
Not signing 3 of the top 8 players, then bragging about getting 4 lottery picks in one year while also making excuses in the Final Four that your team is too young.
I'm also just very biased against Calipari far more than any coach in college basketball. Especially ever since he told a recruiting story on Colin Cowherd about how he missed out on "some kid-I can't remember his name-but he ended up beating us in the Final Four". That kid was Kemba Walker. Don't act like you forgot his name, you slimy car salesman dink.

Great recruiter. Average coach. Greasy used car salesman dink. Doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Coach K, Roy Williams, Calhoun. Or even Pitino.

You took the thoughts right out of my head. Except you like Cal too much.

 

[Javjudah]

He would do as bad or worse. He would pick the wrong 5 star guys most of the time while the squid picks the wrong ones some of the time. And I am not convinced KO is even as good as the mediocre squid at actual coaching.

Give Hurley squid's situation and he would do better.

Didn't Ollie outclass and out coached him in 2014. Didn't Calipari had like 12 All Americans on that team?

 

[SouthBayHusky]

I think you are misconstruing my point like most of Ollie haters. Give Ollie the same quality of talent that Coach Cal has and see how bad of a coach he is then. Give him the bells and whistles ala private jet he uses for recruiting while you're at it and the 5* so call dorm rooms they have for their players. Tell me what you think now.

First of all coaching involves recruiting. When you say “give him the bells” give him all those players you’re assuming that’s somehow for free. Something that was not earned. I have news for you, recruiting is a special talent. And Calipari knows how to recruit, he did it not just at Kentucky but he did it at UMass so let’s not minimize. Nothing is for free and that man earned it. Kevin Ollie on other hand is not suffering from some unfair advantage. He was provided every tool to succeed and unlike people like Calipari or Calhoun he did not have to build from the ground up

Next, nobody “hates” Kevin Ollie. Just because people want him fired does not equal hatred, you need to understand there’s a difference. He is a top paid Connecticut state employee making $3.1 million a year. He’s being paid a lot of money (among top 10 in College Basketball) to deliver results and he’s not delivering results. When that happens yes, people are going to call for him to be fired, myself included. That does not mean we hate him. Please understand the difference. I assume here young person, but try to think first before posting.

 

[raf46]

Occasionally a blind rat gets the cheese.

The actual quote from Coach Calhoun, was that " sometimes the blind squirrel finds the nut."