A case for football independence, Part II

[okielite]

Try to keep up. Schools within a conference, even if they have losing record, share in the contract bowl revenue collected by the conference. You obviously disagree with this statement or you didn't comprehend what he was saying.

I don't think the money from bowls in the AAC will amount to much to be concerned with. It is likely that most of the bowls the conference gets will not carry the huge payouts that bowls like Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Playoffs. That is not being mean, it's being real. By the time you pay for travel expenses and possibly paying for your allocation of tickets, then split it up between teams there will not be much left. Imagine last year without the Fiesta.

SCHEDULE
GAME
SITE
PER TEAM PAY-OUT DATE
TIME
TV PRIMARY
CHOICES
(as of 6/8/13) PAIRINGS
(Click link for team picks, results)
New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM
$456,250 12/21/13
2:00pm
ESPN MWC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #7 Colorado State (8-6) 48,
Washington State (6-7) 45
Computer Pick: Colorado State by 2.86
Las Vegas Bowl
Las Vegas, NV
$1,100,000 12/21/13
3:30pm
ABC MWC #1
vs.
PAC-12 #5 USC (10-4) 45,
Fresno State (11-2) 20
Computer Pick: USC by 0.24
Famous Idaho Potato
Boise, ID
$325,000 12/21/13
5:30pm
ESPN MWC #6
vs.
MAC #3 San Diego State (8-5) 49,
Buffalo (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Buffalo by 2.54
New Orleans
New Orleans, LA
$500,000 12/21/13
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #1
vs.
CUSA #7 Louisiana-Lafayette (9-4) 24,
Tulane (7-6) 21
Computer Pick: Louisiana-Lafayette by 3.66
Beef 'O' Brady's
St. Petersburg, FL
$537,500 12/23/13
2:00pm
ESPN American #6
vs.
CUSA #5 East Carolina (10-3) 37,
Ohio (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: East Carolina by 10.32
Hawai'i
Honolulu, HI
$650,000 12/24/13
8:00pm
ESPN *-Hawaii or MWC #5
vs.
CUSA #2 Oregon State (7-6) 38,
Boise State (8-5) 23
Computer Pick: Boise State by 1.60

Little Caesars Pizza
Detroit, MI
$750,000 12/26/13
6:00pm
ESPN MAC #2
vs.
Big 10 #8 Pittsburgh (7-6) 30,
Bowling Green (10-4) 27
Computer Pick: Bowling Green by 13.00
Poinsettia
San Diego, CA
$500,000 12/26/13
9:30pm
ESPN MWC #2
vs.
*-Army Utah State (9-5) 21,
Northern Illinois (12-2) 14
Computer Pick: Utah State by 4.04
Military Bowl
Annapolis, MD
$1,000,000 12/27/13
2:30pm
ESPN ACC #8
vs.
CUSA #6 or MAC Marshall (10-4) 31,
Maryland (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: Marshall by 12.58
Texas-(1)
Houston, TX
$1,700,000 12/27/13
6:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #6
vs.
Big 12 #6 Syracuse (7-6) 21,
Minnesota (8-5) 17
Computer Pick: Minnesota by 5.74
Fight Hunger Bowl-(3)
San Francisco, CA
$837,500 12/27/13
9:30pm
ESPN PAC-12 #6
vs.
*-BYU or ACC #9 Washington (9-4) 31,
BYU (8-5) 16
Computer Pick: Washington by 2.60
Pinstripe
Bronx, NY
$1,800,000 12/28/13
12:00pm
ESPN American #4
vs.
Big 12 #7 Notre Dame (9-4) 29,
Rutgers (6-7) 16
Computer Pick: Notre Dame by 17.80
Belk
Charlotte, NC
$1,700,000 12/28/13
3:20pm
ESPN American #3
vs.
ACC #5 North Carolina (7-6) 39,
Cincinnati (9-4) 17
Computer Pick: North Carolina by 0.63
Russell Athletic
Orlando, FL
$2,275,000 12/28/13
6:45pm
ESPN American #2
vs.
ACC #3 Louisville (12-1) 36,
Miami, Fla. (9-4) 9
Computer Pick: Louisville by 5.29
Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl
Tempe, AZ
$3,325,000 12/28/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #4
vs.
Big 10 #5 Kansas State (8-5) 31,
Michigan (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: Kansas State by 0.42
Armed Forces
Ft. Worth, TX
$600,000 12/30/13
11:45am
ESPN MWC #3
vs.
*-Navy or CUSA #3 Navy (9-4) 24,
Middle Tennessee (8-5) 6
Computer Pick: Navy by 4.45
Music City
Nashville, TN
$1,862,500 12/30/13
3:15pm
ESPN ACC #6
vs.
SEC #7 Mississippi (8-5) 25,
Georgia Tech (7-6) 17
Computer Pick: Georgia Tech by 4.63
Alamo
San Antonio, TX
$3,175,000 12/30/13
6:45pm
ESPN Big 12 #3
vs.
PAC-12 #2 Oregon (11-2) 30,
Texas (8-5) 7
Computer Pick: Oregon by 7.01
Holiday
San Diego, CA
$2,075,000 12/30/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #5
vs.
PAC-12 #3 Texas Tech (8-5) 37,
Arizona State (10-4) 23
Computer Pick: Arizona State by 10.88
AdvoCare V100 Bowl-(2)
Shreveport, LA
$1,150,000 12/31/13
12:30pm
ESPN SEC #10
vs.
ACC #7 Arizona (8-5) 42,
Boston College (7-6) 19
Computer Pick: Arizona by 12.27
Sun
El Paso, TX
$2,000,000 12/31/13
2:00pm
CBS ACC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #4 UCLA (10-3) 42,
Virginia Tech (8-5) 12
Computer Pick: UCLA by 6.38
Liberty
Memphis, TN
$1,437,500 12/31/13
4:00pm
ESPN SEC #8 or #9
vs.
CUSA #1 Mississippi State (7-6) 44,
Rice (10-4) 7
Computer Pick: Mississippi State by 3.15
Chick-fil-A
Atlanta, GA
$3,967,500 ACC; $2,932,500 SEC 12/31/13
8:00pm
ESPN ACC #2
vs.
SEC #5 Texas A&M (9-4) 52,
Duke (10-4) 48
Computer Pick: Texas A&M by 8.48
Heart Of Dallas
Dallas, TX
$1,100,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-U CUSA #4
vs.
Big 10 #7 North Texas (9-4) 36,
UNLV (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: North Texas by 8.13
Gator
Jacksonville, FL
$2,725,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-2 Big 10 #4
vs.
SEC #6 Nebraska (9-4) 24,
Georgia (8-5) 19
Computer Pick: Georgia by 10.57
Outback
Tampa, FL
$3,500,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ABC ^-SEC #3, or #4
vs.
Big 10 #3 LSU (10-3) 21,
Iowa (8-5) 14
Computer Pick: LSU by 10.45
Capital One
Orlando, FL
$4,250,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #2
vs.
SEC #2 South Carolina (11-2) 34,
Wisconsin (9-4) 24
Computer Pick: South Carolina by 0.41
Rose
Pasadena, CA
$18,000,000 1/1/14
5:00pm
ESPN BCS (Big 10 tie-in)
vs.
BCS (PAC-12 tie-in) Michigan State (13-1) 24,
Stanford (11-3) 20
Computer Pick: Stanford by 7.77
Fiesta
Glendale, AZ
$18,000,000 1/1/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (Big 12 tie-in) UCF (12-1) 52,
Baylor (11-2) 42
Computer Pick: Baylor by 15.10
Sugar
New Orleans, LA
$18,000,000 1/2/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (SEC tie-in) Oklahoma (11-2) 45,
Alabama (11-2) 31
Computer Pick: Alabama by 2.93
Cotton
Arlington, TX
$3,625,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
Fox ^-SEC #3 or #4
vs.
Big 12 #2 Missouri (12-2) 41,
Oklahoma State (10-3) 31
Computer Pick: Oklahoma State by 7.29
Orange
Miami, FL
$18,000,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (ACC tie-in) Clemson (11-2) 40,
Ohio State (12-2) 35
Computer Pick: Ohio State by 4.80
BBVA Compass Bowl
Birmingham, AL
$1,000,025 SEC; $900,000 AAC 1/4/14
1:00pm
ESPN American #5
vs.
SEC #8 or #9 Vanderbilt (9-4) 41,
Houston (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Houston by 0.95
GoDaddy.com
Mobile, AL
$750,000 1/5/14
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #2
vs.
MAC #1 Arkansas State (8-5) 23,
Ball State (10-3) 20
Computer Pick: Ball State by 8.31
BCS Championship
Pasadena, CA
$22,000,000 1/6/14
8:20pm
ESPN BCS #1
vs.
BCS #2 Florida State (14-0) 34,
Auburn (12-2) 31
Computer Pick: Florida State by 16.67

 

[okielite]

No, you see you are going in circles again. UConn is not worth 2 million. And if that were the case, then Iowa State is worth as much as Texas.

You do understand that we have other sources of revenue right?

I completey agree that some teams are worth more than others. I don't think Uconn is worth 2 million either. I think that is the average and some schools in the conference are not worth 2 million from a TV and FB focused contract. I think UConn is likely subsidising 1 or more teams.

What do you think that value number is for UConn?

To be fair I will say that I don't beleive OSU is worth the conference average of 20 million for T-1/2 TV contract. I'd guess somewhere around 13-17 but that number is growing with things like winning the conference, BCS games, being in the cotton bowl, beating Texas several times the last few years, playing SEC team at neutral site last year and playing FSU to start this season off we are getting some good TV matchups. I believe the Big 12 has indicated that there is not a team available that would keep our payout the same and that one of the closest teams is BYU. I beleive BYU has a deal with ESPN for around 6-8million depending on the year. Plus whatever they get for the WCC for thier other sports which I doubt amounts to much.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/...ght-Year-TV-Deal-For-Home-Football-Games.aspx

DEAL DELIVERS MONEY, EXPOSURE: In Sale Lake City, Michael Lewis writes under the header, "New TV Deal Gives Cougars National Exposure They Crave." Financial terms were not disclosed, but sources indicated that BYU "could reap between $800,000 and $1.2 million per home game -- considerably more" than the $1.3-1.5M the school "earned annually from the Mountain West's television arrangement."

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Responding to multiple questions:

1) The $2MM/team net worth - to be honest, I think this conference should have gotten a much bigger deal, but it inherited the Big East's Right of First Refusal. This was quite possibly the stupidest strategic move the conference has made, and there have been some pretty stupid moves. If Aresco and the Presidents had thought about this situation for more than 10 seconds, they would have refused the NBC and ESPN offers, and not had the conference sign a television package at all. Just be a scheduling alliance, and let the schools control their own TV rights, with the ability to syndicate them back to a national network. It would have gotten the schools a better payout on average than $2MM, and just the threat of it would have gotten a better deal out of ESPN.

Right now the AAC is basically giving its content away. Exposure is nice, but you can't pay coaches with exposure.

2) Schedule - The obsession with scheduling reflects narrow thinking by simple minds. With the playoff, schools and conferences as a whole will be penalized for scheduling FCS schools. There will be a lot of open slots on schedules as a result, and there will be an incentive to schools to schedule quality OOC games. With all of that extra demand for opponents, UConn should be able to put together an Independent Schedule.

3) Bowls - This is not a reason to do or not do anything. Are people really saying they would pass up a superior basketball conference, for both men and women, and millions of dollars of incremental revenue, for the right to play a bowl game on 12/27 in Tampa?

 

[Carl Spackler]

Responding to multiple questions:

1) The $2MM/team net worth - to be honest, I think this conference should have gotten a much bigger deal, but it inherited the Big East's Right of First Refusal. This was quite possibly the stupidest strategic move the conference has made, and there have been some pretty stupid moves. If Aresco and the Presidents had thought about this situation for more than 10 seconds, they would have refused the NBC and ESPN offers, and not had the conference sign a television package at all. Just be a scheduling alliance, and let the schools control their own TV rights, with the ability to syndicate them back to a national network. It would have gotten the schools a better payout on average than $2MM, and just the threat of it would have gotten a better deal out of ESPN.

Right now the AAC is basically giving its content away. Exposure is nice, but you can't pay coaches with exposure.

2) Schedule - The obsession with scheduling reflects narrow thinking by simple minds. With the playoff, schools and conferences as a whole will be penalized for scheduling FCS schools. There will be a lot of open slots on schedules as a result, and there will be an incentive to schools to schedule quality OOC games. With all of that extra demand for opponents, UConn should be able to put together an Independent Schedule.

3) Bowls - This is not a reason to do or not do anything. Are people really saying they would pass up a superior basketball conference, for both men and women, and millions of dollars of incremental revenue, for the right to play a bowl game on 12/27 in Tampa?

If you have medication, check to make sure your prescription is up to date and you've taken it properly, and go to bed. Please.

 

[okielite]

I agree to some degree but to be honest schools like Tulane or Tulsa have little interest in thier own state and I can't imagine that they have any real value to TV partners. That has to drag the average down. I also agree that ESPN screwed the AAC in more ways than one. They told the ACC whihc teams to take to kill what was once a solid conference.

As far as bowls I could see a Pinstripe bowl deal with BYU and UConn being possible, it makes sense in many ways.

 

[itgoeslike]

I don't think the money from bowls in the AAC will amount to much to be concerned with. It is likely that most of the bowls the conference gets will not carry the huge payouts that bowls like Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Playoffs. That is not being mean, it's being real. By the time you pay for travel expenses and possibly paying for your allocation of tickets, then split it up between teams there will not be much left. Imagine last year without the Fiesta.

SCHEDULE
GAME
SITE
PER TEAM PAY-OUT DATE
TIME
TV PRIMARY
CHOICES
(as of 6/8/13) PAIRINGS
(Click link for team picks, results)
New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM
$456,250 12/21/13
2:00pm
ESPN MWC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #7 Colorado State (8-6) 48,
Washington State (6-7) 45
Computer Pick: Colorado State by 2.86
Las Vegas Bowl
Las Vegas, NV
$1,100,000 12/21/13
3:30pm
ABC MWC #1
vs.
PAC-12 #5 USC (10-4) 45,
Fresno State (11-2) 20
Computer Pick: USC by 0.24
Famous Idaho Potato
Boise, ID
$325,000 12/21/13
5:30pm
ESPN MWC #6
vs.
MAC #3 San Diego State (8-5) 49,
Buffalo (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Buffalo by 2.54
New Orleans
New Orleans, LA
$500,000 12/21/13
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #1
vs.
CUSA #7 Louisiana-Lafayette (9-4) 24,
Tulane (7-6) 21
Computer Pick: Louisiana-Lafayette by 3.66
Beef 'O' Brady's
St. Petersburg, FL
$537,500 12/23/13
2:00pm
ESPN American #6
vs.
CUSA #5 East Carolina (10-3) 37,
Ohio (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: East Carolina by 10.32
Hawai'i
Honolulu, HI
$650,000 12/24/13
8:00pm
ESPN -Hawaii or MWC #5
vs.
CUSA #2 Oregon State (7-6) 38,
Boise State (8-5) 23
Computer Pick: Boise State by 1.60

Little Caesars Pizza
Detroit, MI
$750,000 12/26/13
6:00pm
ESPN MAC #2
vs.
Big 10 #8 Pittsburgh (7-6) 30,
Bowling Green (10-4) 27
Computer Pick: Bowling Green by 13.00
Poinsettia
San Diego, CA
$500,000 12/26/13
9:30pm
ESPN MWC #2
vs.
-Army Utah State (9-5) 21,
Northern Illinois (12-2) 14
Computer Pick: Utah State by 4.04
Military Bowl
Annapolis, MD
$1,000,000 12/27/13
2:30pm
ESPN ACC #8
vs.
CUSA #6 or MAC Marshall (10-4) 31,
Maryland (7-6) 20
Computer Pick: Marshall by 12.58
Texas-(1)
Houston, TX
$1,700,000 12/27/13
6:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #6
vs.
Big 12 #6 Syracuse (7-6) 21,
Minnesota (8-5) 17
Computer Pick: Minnesota by 5.74
Fight Hunger Bowl-(3)
San Francisco, CA
$837,500 12/27/13
9:30pm
ESPN PAC-12 #6
vs.
-BYU or ACC #9 Washington (9-4) 31,
BYU (8-5) 16
Computer Pick: Washington by 2.60
Pinstripe
Bronx, NY
$1,800,000 12/28/13
12:00pm
ESPN American #4
vs.
Big 12 #7 Notre Dame (9-4) 29,
Rutgers (6-7) 16
Computer Pick: Notre Dame by 17.80
Belk
Charlotte, NC
$1,700,000 12/28/13
3:20pm
ESPN American #3
vs.
ACC #5 North Carolina (7-6) 39,
Cincinnati (9-4) 17
Computer Pick: North Carolina by 0.63
Russell Athletic
Orlando, FL
$2,275,000 12/28/13
6:45pm
ESPN American #2
vs.
ACC #3 Louisville (12-1) 36,
Miami, Fla. (9-4) 9
Computer Pick: Louisville by 5.29
Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl
Tempe, AZ
$3,325,000 12/28/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #4
vs.
Big 10 #5 Kansas State (8-5) 31,
Michigan (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: Kansas State by 0.42
Armed Forces
Ft. Worth, TX
$600,000 12/30/13
11:45am
ESPN MWC #3
vs.
-Navy or CUSA #3 Navy (9-4) 24,
Middle Tennessee (8-5) 6
Computer Pick: Navy by 4.45
Music City
Nashville, TN
$1,862,500 12/30/13
3:15pm
ESPN ACC #6
vs.
SEC #7 Mississippi (8-5) 25,
Georgia Tech (7-6) 17
Computer Pick: Georgia Tech by 4.63
Alamo
San Antonio, TX
$3,175,000 12/30/13
6:45pm
ESPN Big 12 #3
vs.
PAC-12 #2 Oregon (11-2) 30,
Texas (8-5) 7
Computer Pick: Oregon by 7.01
Holiday
San Diego, CA
$2,075,000 12/30/13
10:15pm
ESPN Big 12 #5
vs.
PAC-12 #3 Texas Tech (8-5) 37,
Arizona State (10-4) 23
Computer Pick: Arizona State by 10.88
AdvoCare V100 Bowl-(2)
Shreveport, LA
$1,150,000 12/31/13
12:30pm
ESPN SEC #10
vs.
ACC #7 Arizona (8-5) 42,
Boston College (7-6) 19
Computer Pick: Arizona by 12.27
Sun
El Paso, TX
$2,000,000 12/31/13
2:00pm
CBS ACC #4
vs.
PAC-12 #4 UCLA (10-3) 42,
Virginia Tech (8-5) 12
Computer Pick: UCLA by 6.38
Liberty
Memphis, TN
$1,437,500 12/31/13
4:00pm
ESPN SEC #8 or #9
vs.
CUSA #1 Mississippi State (7-6) 44,
Rice (10-4) 7
Computer Pick: Mississippi State by 3.15
Chick-fil-A
Atlanta, GA
$3,967,500 ACC; $2,932,500 SEC 12/31/13
8:00pm
ESPN ACC #2
vs.
SEC #5 Texas A&M (9-4) 52,
Duke (10-4) 48
Computer Pick: Texas A&M by 8.48
Heart Of Dallas
Dallas, TX
$1,100,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-U CUSA #4
vs.
Big 10 #7 North Texas (9-4) 36,
UNLV (7-6) 14
Computer Pick: North Texas by 8.13
Gator
Jacksonville, FL
$2,725,000 1/1/14
12:00pm
ESPN-2 Big 10 #4
vs.
SEC #6 Nebraska (9-4) 24,
Georgia (8-5) 19
Computer Pick: Georgia by 10.57
Outback
Tampa, FL
$3,500,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ABC ^-SEC #3, or #4
vs.
Big 10 #3 LSU (10-3) 21,
Iowa (8-5) 14
Computer Pick: LSU by 10.45
Capital One
Orlando, FL
$4,250,000 1/1/14
1:00pm
ESPN Big 10 #2
vs.
SEC #2 South Carolina (11-2) 34,
Wisconsin (9-4) 24
Computer Pick: South Carolina by 0.41
Rose
Pasadena, CA
$18,000,000 1/1/14
5:00pm
ESPN BCS (Big 10 tie-in)
vs.
BCS (PAC-12 tie-in) Michigan State (13-1) 24,
Stanford (11-3) 20
Computer Pick: Stanford by 7.77
Fiesta
Glendale, AZ
$18,000,000 1/1/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (Big 12 tie-in) UCF (12-1) 52,
Baylor (11-2) 42
Computer Pick: Baylor by 15.10
Sugar
New Orleans, LA
$18,000,000 1/2/14
8:30pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (SEC tie-in) Oklahoma (11-2) 45,
Alabama (11-2) 31
Computer Pick: Alabama by 2.93
Cotton
Arlington, TX
$3,625,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
Fox ^-SEC #3 or #4
vs.
Big 12 #2 Missouri (12-2) 41,
Oklahoma State (10-3) 31
Computer Pick: Oklahoma State by 7.29
Orange
Miami, FL
$18,000,000 1/3/14
8:00pm
ESPN BCS
vs.
BCS (ACC tie-in) Clemson (11-2) 40,
Ohio State (12-2) 35
Computer Pick: Ohio State by 4.80
BBVA Compass Bowl
Birmingham, AL
$1,000,025 SEC; $900,000 AAC 1/4/14
1:00pm
ESPN American #5
vs.
SEC #8 or #9 Vanderbilt (9-4) 41,
Houston (8-5) 24
Computer Pick: Houston by 0.95
GoDaddy.com
Mobile, AL
$750,000 1/5/14
9:00pm
ESPN Sun Belt #2
vs.
MAC #1 Arkansas State (8-5) 23,
Ball State (10-3) 20
Computer Pick: Ball State by 8.31
BCS Championship
Pasadena, CA
$22,000,000 1/6/14
8:20pm
ESPN BCS #1
vs.
BCS #2 Florida State (14-0) 34,
Auburn (12-2) 31
Computer Pick: Florida State by 16.67

You've answered my question, it's a comprehension thing. Starting this season the Group of 5 conferences will split 27% of the playoff deal, which amounts to nearly $20M per conference; plus the conference will net a "Fiesta Bowl" type payout should a team from their conference be selected as the G5 representative for the designated Elite Bowl, plus the conference will receive revenue from the 5-6 lesser contract bowls. Of course, this still amounts to a figure that is substantially less than a P5 conference payout. However, it's still likely that a team with a losing record in a G5 conference may net as much, or more from playoff/bowl revenue than a BYU appearance in the Poinsettia Bowl for 2016 and 2018 (what are they doing for 2017?). I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but what the poster said was accurate, you're just not utilizing all the data. Now, I'm going to go and enjoy UConn's two national championships in as many days. . .

 

[okielite]

You've answered my question, it's a comprehension thing. Starting this season the Group of 5 conferences will split 27% of the playoff deal, which amounts to nearly $20M per conference; plus the conference will net a "Fiesta Bowl" type payout should a team from their conference be selected as the G5 representative for the designated Elite Bowl, plus the conference will receive revenue from the 5-6 lesser contract bowls. Of course, this still amounts to a figure that is substantially less than a P5 conference payout. However, it's still likely that a team with a losing record in a G5 conference may net as much, or more from playoff/bowl revenue than a BYU appearance in the Poinsettia Bowl for 2016 and 2018 (what are they doing for 2017?). I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but what the poster said was accurate, you're just not utilizing all the data. Now, I'm going to go and enjoy UConn's two national championships in as many days. . .

Please go enjoy by all means. I think your calculator only works in +. Do you realize that schools lose money on bowls? Even FSU lost money in a BCS bowl becasue they got stuck with a non power opponent
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/355707-in-bowl-game-fsu-guaranteed-to-lose-money
Do you realize that travel expenses are substantial?
Having to eat ticket allotments cost big money?

Yes the non power conferences do get a door prize which still does not amount to substantial income for each school once it is divided up.
AAC will get competetion for that 1 possible spot, Northern Illionois, BYU, Fresno, Boise, etc... will have as good of a shot as AAC teams. In the end the Big bowls will do anything they can to not get stuck with a non power team because it costs them millions when they do.

Yes what the poster said was accurate, unfortunately it won't amount to more than a few million per team max. Your constant insults toward me are a pathetic attempt to make yourslef feel better becasue of self esteem issues, grow up and act like an adult. For the AAC confernece to profit 40+ million after all expenses is absolutely not realistic, likely be lucky to get half that as profit spread over 12 members. That's nothing in the big picture. BYU doesn't sit around and think that they would make more guaranteed bowl money in the MW. Heck they went from getting 1-2 millionper year to 800k to 1.2 million per game as an indy. Your point, well if you really are interested in securing that guaranteed AAC bowl money you should probably do nothing and stay put.

You need to calm down and relax. This is just a discussion, not worth getting worked up about and insulting people for no reason. Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?

 

[itgoeslike]

Please go enjoy by all means. I think your calculator only works in +. Do you realize that schools lose money on bowls? Even FSU lost money in a BCS bowl becasue they got stuck with a non power opponent
http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/355707-in-bowl-game-fsu-guaranteed-to-lose-money
Do you realize that travel expenses are substantial?
Having to eat ticket allotments cost big money?

Yes the non power conferences do get a door prize which still does not amount to substantial income for each school once it is divided up.
AAC will get competetion for that 1 possible spot, Northern Illionois, BYU, Fresno, Boise, etc... will have as good of a shot as AAC teams. In the end the Big bowls will do anything they can to not get stuck with a non power team because it costs them millions when they do.

Yes what the poster said was accurate, unfortunately it won't amount to more than a few million per team max. Your constant insults toward me are a pathetic attempt to make yourslef feel better becasue of self esteem issues, grow up and act like an adult. For the AAC confernece to profit 40+ million after all expenses is absolutely not realistic, likely be lucky to get half that as profit spread over 12 members. That's nothing in the big picture. BYU doesn't sit around and think that they would make more guaranteed bowl money in the MW. Heck they went from getting 1-2 millionper year to 800k to 1.2 million per game as an indy. Your point, well if you really are interested in securing that guaranteed AAC bowl money you should probably do nothing and stay put.

You need to calm down and relax. This is just a discussion, not worth getting worked up about and insulting people for no reason. Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?

Hey, I am very relaxed. . .I'm curious. When people correct you or present an alternate perspective why do you call them pathetic and say they need to grown up? You've done it on nearly every thread. Also, all that other stuff you posted that had nothing to do with my post, I'll just ignore it. Lastly, my answer to the question you posed ("Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?") is Yes.

 

[okielite]

Hey, I am very relaxed. . .I'm curious. When people correct you or present an alternate perspective why do you call them pathetic and say they need to grown up? You've done it on nearly every thread. Also, all that other stuff you posted that had nothing to do with my post, I'll just ignore it. Lastly, my answer to the question you posed ("Would you rather we all just start threads about how UConn should be in the B1G?") is Yes.

Calling someone names or insulting them on the internet is pathetic and childish behavior IMO. You don't see it that way, that 's fine.

All that other stuff I posted has everything to do with the discussion about bowl money. You don't like it because it proves that I am right and confirms that there will likely not be a huge AAC bowl payout every year. All bowl money is not proifit. Thanks for proving my point for me by dodging.

 

[HuskyHawk]

Houston has some BB history, Phi Slama Jama. Not to mention a Heisman and past FB success. SMU also has a Heisman and multiple NC's in FB. In the SWC they were both successful schools.

Yes, you essentially echoed my point. These are much stronger football schools. Houston's hoops success was short lived and a long time ago (SMU was briefly good as well...but not as good, with Jon K at center). I'm talking hoops, where they currently add almost nothing. I certainly remember James & Dickerson before SMU got the death penalty.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

This is the 10th or more thread on the same topic and we are on 3 pages with this one, and the usual suspects have not come up with a single idea that will get UConn more money. Not one. All I see is excuses and attacks on anyone who has an idea. You guys literally have no plan at all other than to take a great UConn athletic program and keep it on a sinking ship while praying for a miracle.

 

[noeynox]

This is the 10th or more thread on the same topic and we are on 3 pages with this one, and the usual suspects have not come up with a single idea that will get UConn more money. Not one. All I see is excuses and attacks on anyone who has an idea. You guys literally have no plan at all other than to take a great UConn athletic program and keep it on a sinking ship while praying for a miracle.

I've told you before. I could see it happening IF Fox sends us to the Big East BBall conference for 5mill, gives us a similar deal for FB like ESPN gave BYU, at to be fair for like 4mil, with scheduling agreements with some of their football properties, and matches the 2mil the women get from SNY. A total package of about 11-13million a year and were in business. Call Fox up and see if they bite. Fox would be getting us at good price IMO. Just the buzz we would bring back to the Big East tournament should be worth it for them.

 

[ZooCougar]

This is the 10th or more thread on the same topic and we are on 3 pages with this one, and the usual suspects have not come up with a single idea that will get UConn more money. Not one. All I see is excuses and attacks on anyone who has an idea. You guys literally have no plan at all other than to take a great UConn athletic program and keep it on a sinking ship while praying for a miracle.

You started all 10 of them and each one is more ridiculous than the previous.

 

[ZooCougar]

I've told you before. I could see it happening IF Fox sends us to the Big East BBall conference for 5mill, gives us a similar deal for FB like ESPN gave BYU, at to be fair for like 4mil, with scheduling agreements with some of their football properties, and matches the 2mil the women get from SNY. A total package of about 11-13million a year and were in business. Call Fox up and see if they bite. Fox would be getting us at good price IMO. Just the buzz we would bring back to the Big East tournament should be worth it for them.

We'll be making more money than that in AAC after the look in. That's more likely than giving UCONN FOOTBALL lol, a sweetheart deal. Translation, that's not going to happen.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

We'll be making more money than that in AAC after the look in. That's more likely than giving UCONN FOOTBALL lol, a sweetheart deal. Translation, that's not going to happen.

Right. Because ESPN has been so generous with UConn athletics over the years.

ESPN will increase the revenue at the "look in" for one, and only one, reason: they have to. Otherwise we will be lucky if they do not make the contract worse. UConn or the AAC or both have to come up with a credible alternative to get ESPN to pay an extra nickel.

Or we could just hope for a miracle.

 

[itgoeslike]

Here's a simple analogy. We're on a plane flying above the Rockies and a warning light comes on. The plane's has 4 hours of fuel left. The people in the front of the plane begin looking for places to land safely. The only exception is Nelson. He's put on his parachute, which is OK, but the problem is that he's already pulled the rip cord. . .

The only viable long term solution is to land safely in a P5 conference. Until that happens, being on TV every week and pocketing our portion of the $100M CR fund and the benefits of conference affiliation is, unfortunately, the best option. It's possible that we may need to use the parachute down the road, but for now, there isn't a reasonable financial or strategic case to be made, especially when you factor in paying exit fees. If the parachute is required, it's likely that the plane has run out of fuel and is going down, and we've exhausted all options for getting into a P5 conference. It may come to that, but we shouldn't be pulling the rip cord just yet.

 

[Carl Spackler]

The plan for UCONN, is to win and work together with the universities we are associatied with in the AAC to elevate the league's profile from recruiting and competition level in all sports top to bottom, to compete and win post season accolades when matched up with other conferences and to in general, create as much exposure, promotion, and energize and grow fan bases as much as possible to elevate the general profile of the conference as high as it can get in the next 5 years.

The Bar is pretty high. Central Florida set it in football finishing in the top 10 in the country, and winning their BCS game in the last year of the BCS, and going into the new post season format. Our bowl performances were good. We won't see the new format of the football conference in it's entirety for another year yet, but will have a new contract for broadcasting starting this fall. Our games will be on TV - nationally. We will have a new set of bowl games to work toward - and win. We will need to recruit as a conference, to be able to compete in the post season - and win. We can do it - we at UCONN - have recruited and done it before. The rest of the conference can too.

UCONN has set the bar as high as it can go, in men's and women's basketball - the other two money making sports. We'll see what year 2 brings. We need recruiting in the basketball programs to ramp up significantly in the lower half of the conference in those sports.

That's what the plan is. Until such time as an official announcement from somebody official comes that UCONN will be a member of a different conference - the plan is to work as hard as possible, with the other universities in the AAC to elevate this new conference as high as it possibly can go. We at UCONN appear to be doing our part well. We'll see how the other institutions come along.

 

[freescooter]

nelson, you identified a legitimate problem. But your solution, going independent in football is a non-starter. It is the same as recommending dropping football. Neither is going to happen. Football independence just makes no sense. We don't have a national market for UConn football like Notre Dame, Army, Navy, BYU. We'd be more like New Mexico State and Idaho, struggling for games, traversing the countryside just to play anyone who'd schedule us. Playing home and home with the likes of Old Dominion and Arkansas State. I get that you are a bigtime basketball fan but that's not a legitimate solution. As far as waiting for a miracle, maybe that's the solution. My guess, though is that the Big 12 is going to ultimately be forced to expand. If you're the Big 10 or the PAC and your 11-1 team misses the playoffs because it gets upset by a 9-3 opponent in the conference title game while Oklahoma sits home as Big 12 champ without any risk, how are you going to react? Once that reality comes to the fore, conference expansion will start again. I'd give it 3-4 years before 4 of the P% start asking why they have to risk an extra game while Texas and Oklahoma get a pass.

 

[ZooCougar]

Does the AAC TV deal suck?

Yes.

Would going independent be catastrophic.

Yes.

Does the Big East even want UConn?

No.

Does anyone watch Fs1 anyways?

Nope.

 

[The Funster]

Some of the P5 breakaway ideas included the P5 conferences and a group of independents for FB. Under that circumstance, I'd go for it. UConn can join the ACC for everything except FB and play FB as an indy in the new P5 group. I'm assuming that the P5 breakaway group would assist in scheduling the indies , ie: indies would play some games amongst themselves and be guaranteed x amount of games rotating amongst the P5 teams.

That would not be ideal and I would want it to be a short term arrangement but it would be far better than being cast adrift even more so than we are now.

 

[metsfan2323]

Jim Calhoun is on record that we will be in the B1G. When will we learn that you never doubt this man. Stay the course and enjoy the ride. Eventually that crowd we had for the Michigan game will be the norm.

BTW just a couple months ago Nelson said our basketball program was in decline, we are so doomed. Do we really think our basketball program is in dire straights and needs to be saved? Don't pay attention to the attention seeking hand grenade salesman. This would be a good thread if we were Temple.

 

[Dooley]

Right. Because ESPN has been so generous with UConn athletics over the years.

ESPN will increase the revenue at the "look in" for one, and only one, reason: they have to. Otherwise we will be lucky if they do not make the contract worse. UConn or the AAC or both have to come up with a credible alternative to get ESPN to pay an extra nickel.

Or we could just hope for a miracle.

Jesus H. This again? There is no solid plan to blow up our athletic department, as you suggest, because we are in Year 2 of the 3-5 Year B1G Plan. Moving basketball out of the AAC to another conference would completely devalue our football program and end any hope of getting into the B1G or, to a lesser extend, the ACC. PATIENCE. Give Bob Diaco and his staff a few years to turn around football. UCONN has a good amount of cash stockpiled from Big East exit fees to keep afloat while the 3-5 Year B1G Plan is in action. You want to do something about it? Go buy some football tickets. Go to the Spring Game. Get friends to do the same. SUPPORT THE SCHOOL. If we're still in the AAC in 2018-19 and football is muddling through 2-3 win seasons in front of 10K a game, then we can begin to take your suggestion seriously.

Again, here are the reasons why we can NOT go football independent:

1. no bowl tie-in. Do you remember the bowl game following our 9-win 2012 season? You don't because we didn't get to one. And that schedule had a lower tier B1G opponent, BC, and a gazillion MAC teams on it (as you constantly suggest as a scheduling alternative);

2. no schedule. The P5 schools are moving away from scheduling G5/FCS opponents, not towards it. We would be LUCKY to schedule 1 P5 opponent per season if we went Independent. I know that a schedule that includes Tulane, Tulsa and Memphis doesn't appeal to anyone, but the AAC schedule at least gets us Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Houston, etc...good football programs in good recruiting areas.

3. a few extra dollars now vs. a lot of extra dollars later? I'm not willing to destroy our athletic department to make $2-$3M/yr more in basketball next season. What happens if UCONN basketball has some lean years? I know the chances of that aren't likely as long as Ollie is coach but what happens if the Lakers or Thunder or Heat or Cavaliers come HARD after him with a $5M/yr offer to be head coach? And what if our basketball replacement is the Paul Pasqualoni of basketball? Then there goes our extra basketball TV revenue and there goes UCONN athletics as a whole. We are in a B1G plan because $30M/yr is much more enticing (and secure) than having to renegotiate a TV deal every season or two for an extra $2M/yr for basketball alone. B1G membership funds ALL sports. Can you say that about a non-secured short-term basketball TV deal?

4. Bob Diaco hasn't even had 15 minutes to turn things around. Remember all that NATIONAL buzz and hype that came when Manuel named Diaco head coach? Well, the last time I checked, Diaco is STILL here. Let's give him a few seasons to undo the Pasqualoni/Hathaway mess. I know patience is not your strong suit, but for the love of all things Holy, let's wait until we're balls deep into football season before making comments like this. We're not even through SPRING practice, for crying out loud. PATIENCE. Football can't win any games that are still over 4 months away.

5. Recruiting. Along the lines of #2 above, no guaranteed schedule means no guaranteed access to places like PA, OH, FL, and TX. We also will be playing some mid-Atlantic areas that could mine out some gems. Diaco was hired, in part, because he is a relentless recruiter. Let's give him a season or two to find some kids that fit his wish list. Playing a 12 game Independent schedule that consists entirely of MAC teams, FCS opponents, and the like on an inconsistent basis does not help recruiting whatsoever.

6. Athletic Department Stability. We are not UMASS. We are not Temple. We are not Rutgers. We do not want to cut programs, we want to add to them. We want to provide quality competition across our entire athletic department, not just basketball. Again, a basketball contract alone is not sufficient enough to fund soccer, baseball, hockey upgrade, track, field hockey, etc. By going your route and concentrating solely on protecting basketball, we essentially are cutting other sports. P5 conferences do not like that.

7. UCONN Basketball is an Elite program no matter what conference it is in. We just played a full season in the AAC with a perceived weak schedule and still won the National Championship. How does moving basketball out of the conference change the end result? Louisville is leaving. So what? Does that change anything that significantly to move to the Big East?? So we are going to put all of our eggs in the Big East right after they showed the country how weak they were come tourney time? Their perceived best team Nova didn't even make it to the Sweet 16. Do we really want to trust that Creighton, Providence, Nova, DePaul, St John's, etc will provide an upgrade in perception than what we play in the AAC? UCONN is by itself no matter what conference we play in. The name on the front of our OWN jerseys matter more than those who we play.

Please, please, please stop posting these negative threads wanting to kill off football to protect basketball. Again, we are in a 3-5 Year B1G Plan. The writing is on the wall. The clues are all there. Nobody can comment on it because they legally can't. EVERYTHING that comes out of our President's and Athletic Director's mouths about CR are ALL pointed at the B1G. The B1G, the ACC, or any other P5 conference will not give us full share if we offer them a basketball only offer. And if you want to be able to match those inevitable NBA offers for Kevin Ollie in the upcoming years, we need a full revenue share from a P5 conference. Plain and simple.

Instead of starting these threads, how's about starting a thread to come up with ideas how to increase fan support for football? Increase our football season ticket numbers? Integrate basketball with football and get the fanbase to support the SCHOOL and not specific programs? Going to the Spring Game to show support for the new coaching staff and the team? Planning a trip to watch a road game? Or plan a trip to get to Yankee Stadium and show tremendous numbers in NYC again? We need to come up with ideas to support football, not crush it. Without football, our other athletic programs get cut or underfunded. Including basketball. Let's all rally behind football and UCONN instead of trying to rip it apart.

 

[ZooCougar]

Here is our schedule as an independent.

Week 1: BYU

Week 2: BYE

Week 3: Rhode Island

Week 4: BYE

Week 5: Georgia State

BYE

BYE

BYE

Week 9: Army

Week 10: Navy (but only in odd numbered years)

Week 12: Japanese National Football Team

Week 13: Milford Academy

Cheers.

 

[whaler11]

Waylon just convince Cincy to do the same thing and then play them 12 times. If they split 6-6 play them for keeps in the Cigna/Cintas Hartnatti Bowl.

If you get Under Armor involved they can probably come up with enough uni combos that you could trick people into thinking it's not the same team every week.

 

[Adios]

This "thinking out of the box" stuff nelsonmuntz claims to do regarding the school's development is completely stupid. If we were to think out of the box constructively, we'd be trying to set up an all-sports conference along the east coast that won't collapse.

But of course, he thinks being a coward is the way to go forward. Why the duckk do people bother with this horse manure? I'd rather have HFD around. At least he has testiculos.