Despite Minnesota's opposition, the B1G hockey league has the chance to be the 1st or 2nd best in the country.B1G hockey was a unanimous vote. Minnesota DID NOT WANT to create a B1G hockey league, and I guarantee their "true vote" was against.
Despite Minnesota's opposition, the B1G hockey league has the chance to be the 1st or 2nd best in the country.B1G hockey was a unanimous vote. Minnesota DID NOT WANT to create a B1G hockey league, and I guarantee their "true vote" was against.
Thanks for sharing......rather sad and childish....must be a little more to this then meets the eye...would def like an explanation as to the N.E. off limits clause in his release. Never have I heard of that, just the clause prohibiting a transfer to fellow A.C.C. schools. Appreciate the info/heads up.No link just Anderson's Tweet
From his twitter
Ryan Anderson @_AndersonBC12 Follow
Received full release from BC, restricted from New England area but I'm free to go anywhere else. Thank you @BostonCollege for everything!
10:47 AM - 9 Apr 2014
Huh ? I don't think we're on the same page .Where did I state on here that BC doesn't want Uconn, particularly its football program , in the ACC ? BC football factions at the school would not shed a tear if Uconn football shrivels up and dies. And conversely, If BC football shriveled up and died, Uconn would shed no tears either. Both football camps at both schools would probably like this as a matter of fact. Its just the nature of the beast. Both these things are a given it seems to me. I don't think either one of us is in " denial " of either one of these current football faction sentiments at both schools. You are aware that Uconn Hockey 's application for admittance to the Hockey East came up for a vote recently and BC voted " yes ", correct ? And that BC, crappy in Basketball, offered to schedule Uconn in Basketball for 2015 ( and against Calhoun's wishes ) and the school of Uconn accepted ? So while the acrimoney between both school's football factions is real and ongoing, I'm not sure the caricature that "BC wants Uconn to die multiple times "is a truly representative assessment of things of late between the 2 schools ... at least not beyond football anyway.
Yes, that would ok, as that nitwit AD didn't say this, ie " wants Uconn sports to die ".. only that he did not want Uconn in the ACC. But why are you bringing up the since retired BC's AD's words, when the also since retired Calhoun said he didn't want to ever see the Uconn school ever play BC again in anything, but the 2 schools got together anyway to schedule future basketball and hockey games, and then reports surfaced ( accurate or not ) that Calhoun would consider coaching at BC. Do you agree with the Calhoun's heat of the moment words that Uconn and BC should never schedule any games with one another ever again ? O do BOTH these former employees at their former schools words need to be now viewed as ancient history ? Just asking mind you.Caricature? You seriously want me to pull up those links to the article from your AD? They want the sports program at UConn to die.
Based on what was said, written, rumored, etc. when the ACC lost Maryland, the ‘vote’ with regards to UConn was as follows:
· For: 1) UVA, 2) UNC, 3) Duke, 4) Wake Forest, 5) NC State
· Against: 1) BC, 2) Clemson, 3) Florida St, 4) Miami
· Unknown: 1) Georgia Tech, 2) Virginia Tech
· Not Voting: 1) Maryland, 2) ND, 3) Syracuse, 4) Pittsburgh
BC clearly stated that did not want UConn under any situation same with Miami. Clemson and Florida St. did not have a specific negative view of UConn; but, they did not want another northern, basketball oriented school in general in the ACC and thus used the ‘threat’ of leaving for the XII to get their way. Syracuse, while not able to vote, expressed a negative viewpoint of UConn, primarily to protect their turf as the ‘NYC' school for the ACC. Thus, the Tobacco Road schools were faced with 4 solid no votes and lacked the 2/3 majority needed for an addition, even after Syracuse and Pittsburgh were added as Syracuse would also be a solid no vote. Also, there was the threat of losing the conference’s two best football brands. So, they caved and agreed to add the ‘hot’ program in Louisville. In addition, Louisville, to their credit, pushed and marketed themselves very well within ACC. UConn was caught flatfooted as they focused on recovering from the APR penalty and transitioning new leaders in both the Athletic Department and the schools main product, men’s basketball.
Yes, that would ok, as that nitwit AD didn't say this, ie " wants Uconn sports to die ".. only that he did not want Uconn in the ACC. But why are you bringing up the since retired BC's AD's words, when the also since retired Calhoun said he didn't want to ever see the Uconn school ever play BC again in anything, but the 2 schools got together anyway to schedule future basketball and hockey games, and then reports surfaced ( accurate or not ) that Calhoun would consider coaching at BC. Do you agree with the Calhoun's heat of the moment words that Uconn and BC should never schedule any games with one another ever again ? O do BOTH these former employees at their former schools words need to be now viewed as ancient history ? Just asking mind you.
Despite Minnesota's opposition, the B1G hockey league has the chance to be the 1st or 2nd best in the country.
Have you ever been on a committee? When someone blackballs you, by stating something is in their interests, you better have a good reason for crossing a colleague, because once you do, you have an enemy. This is why committees try to generate consensus.
This has been covered in the news media. The Presidents of Duke and North Carolina characterized BC's stance as totally ridiculous (according to journalists who published that fact). In each case, there was an alternative to UConn. Pitt. And then Louisville.
It's not only the retired AD, it's Bob Ryan reporting in the BG years before that. Come on, the whole point of preventing UConn from joining the ACC is killing off UConn sports. How can you possibly deny that?
With all due respect, thats not quite accurate. Syracuse was to go into the ACC, but a combination of Virginia politics exercised at the highest level within Virginia during this timeframe, coupled with unexpected last minute pressure by Boeheim and basketball forces up at Syracuse making Syracuse momentarily paralyzed with indecision, allowed Virginia Tech to come into the ACC before what was expected to be Syracuse. It wasn't so much that " UNC and Duke got cold feet", it was more a case of the ACC having astute political influence exercised upon them by the goings on in the state of Virginia while Syracuse was split right down the middle between the football factions at their school ( wanting to go with Miami and BC to the ACC , as was the original plan) and the basketball factions at Syracuse wanting to stay in the BE at that time. Virginia Tech was all in on going to the ACC as they are predominently a football oriented school. Syracuse at the time got the " cold feet", and it took them years to acknowledge their mistake of indecisiveness back then that allowed Virginia Tech to step into that void and come into the ACC before Syracuse did.Timing is a variable ingredient with all of this. Few on the committee wanted Virginia Tech in 2002, but UNC's and Duke's cold feet on expansion enabled UVA to get Virginia Tech included. .
With all due respect, thats not quite accurate. Syracuse was to go into the ACC, but a combination of Virginia politics exercised at the highest level within Virginia during this timeframe, coupled with unexpected last minute pressure by Boeheim and basketball forces up at Syracuse making Syracuse momentarily paralyzed with indecision, allowed Virginia Tech to come into the ACC before what was expected to be Syracuse. It wasn't so much that " UNC and Duke got cold feet", it was more a case of the ACC having astute political influence exercised upon them by the goings on in the state of Virginia while Syracuse was split right down the middle between the football factions at their school ( wanting to go with Miami and BC to the ACC , as was the original plan) and the basketball factions at Syracuse wanting to stay in the BE at that time. Virginia Tech was all in on going to the ACC as they are predominently a football oriented school. Syracuse at the time got the " cold feet", and it took them years to acknowledge their mistake of indecisiveness back then that allowed Virginia Tech to step into that void and come into the ACC before Syracuse did.
It is not a view. It is the truth.BC in your view is evil. I get that.
Herbst and Manuel were monitoring the situationI don't think it was this cut and dried. I think that the AD and President of Louisville really worked hard convincing Florida State, UNC, Syracuse, and Clemson to sponsor them. Syracuse didn't vote, but was consulted. They made sure that everyone on that list was able to recite to each other the benefits of Louisville. They literally worked the committee and convinced the committee that the programs that Dr. Ramsey at Louisville has implemented there are improving the academics, and that Tom Jurich has implemented strong academic support programs for student athletes. This put Louisville in the lead given their athletic facilities improvements. Then there was support for adding 3 schools total (Louisville, UConn, and Cincinnati). But the committee talked itself out of that as biting off too much at once. With the exception of possibly Boston College, and I don't really know what they said this time, I think there was more of a Pro Louisville sentiment than an Anti UConn sentiment. And the sales blitz that Jurich and Ramsey put on the committee created this. Don't forget the Cincinnati President was sending a copy of his stadium expansion plans to every ACC president. Cincinnati was working the committee hard too. I honestly don't know what Herbst and Manuel were doing. I know UConn worked hard at promoting itself after Syracuse and Pitt joined, but I don't know what they did after Maryland left.
Isn't that interesting..... a school President actually working to support another local school/potential rival. And then there's Father Leahy and of course Flipper who....UVA's President John Casteen had previously told the Committee that he would only vote yes if Virginia Tech was included. Casteen told everyone this long before the first Virginia Politician could ever spell the acronym ACC.
I don't think it was this cut and dried. I think that the AD and President of Louisville really worked hard convincing Florida State, UNC, Syracuse, and Clemson to sponsor them. Syracuse didn't vote, but was consulted. They made sure that everyone on that list was able to recite to each other the benefits of Louisville. They literally worked the committee and convinced the committee that the programs that Dr. Ramsey at Louisville has implemented there are improving the academics, and that Tom Jurich has implemented strong academic support programs for student athletes. This put Louisville in the lead given their athletic facilities improvements. Then there was support for adding 3 schools total (Louisville, UConn, and Cincinnati). But the committee talked itself out of that as biting off too much at once. With the exception of possibly Boston College, and I don't really know what they said this time, I think there was more of a Pro Louisville sentiment than an Anti UConn sentiment. And the sales blitz that Jurich and Ramsey put on the committee created this. Don't forget the Cincinnati President was sending a copy of his stadium expansion plans to every ACC president. Cincinnati was working the committee hard too. I honestly don't know what Herbst and Manuel were doing. I know UConn worked hard at promoting itself after Syracuse and Pitt joined, but I don't know what they did after Maryland left.
Because I don't see Uconn as quite the victim here that you do. Nobody is( your words ) " killing off Uconn Sports ". Uconn just won 2 National Championships within 24 hours. I don't see Uconn has being " killed off " in their sports at all. If Uconn wins their league in football ( should be able to, given the quality of teams ), they will be ranked and get all the national exposure and props they covet here too, imo.
Isn't that interesting..... a school President actually working to support another local school/potential rival. And then there's Father Leahy and of course Flipper who....
"seemingly confirmed what many had been reporting/presuming over the past month -- that BC blocked UConn from receiving an invite to the ACC.
"We didn't want them in,'' DeFilippo told the Globe. "It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team.''
Because I don't see Uconn as quite the victim here that you do. Nobody is( your words ) " killing off Uconn Sports ". Uconn just won 2 National Championships within 24 hours. I don't see Uconn has being " killed off " in their sports at all. If Uconn wins their league in football ( should be able to, given the quality of teams ), they will be ranked and get all the national exposure and props they covet here too, imo.
This was an in depth look at the detailed but slow sausage making within the state of Virgina, but then finally brings us up to speed and culminates in your final arrival in your last 2 sentences here with what my my central point made above. Essentially, we agree that Miami, BC, and Syracuse ( not Virginia Tech ) were the original plan to the ACC, with Miami the catalyst. Once Miami, unhappy for several years with the direction of the BE, decided to leave the BE for the ACC, just about everyone could see the handwriting on the wall for the BE. Football, as I'm sure you understand, drives the revenues in college sports, and without Miami in the BE, the BE in football would quickly unravel.... and thats precisely what ultimately happened.Here are a couple of linked articles that will allow you to get up to speed on what actually happened. The cold feet by Duke and UNC enabled UVA's vote to matter. UVA's President John Casteen had previously told the Committee that he would only vote yes if Virginia Tech was included. Casteen told everyone this long before the first Virginia Politician could ever spell the acronym ACC. Yes Former Gov. Mark Warner of Virginia likes to take credit for a done deal that he stumbled upon in saying he pressured John Casteen. It's an accomplishment to change a Yes vote to a Yes vote I guess in politics.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/college/news/2003/06/09/acc_expansion_ap/
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...0_1_virginia-tech-james-barker-boston-college
Jim Boeheim was totally against joining the ACC in 2003. Jake Crouthamel at Syracuse was for it, and he discounted Boeheim by saying that Jim can act like an old lady sometimes. Syracuse and Boston College were the plan along with Miami. UNC and Duke basically screwed up the plan, and Virginia Tech benefited.
UConn will not likely to be able to sustain success at the same level when they're on the short side of the revenue gap. .
It all depends how the AAC develops as a league. You are looking at this from where it is now in its infancy. I do not dismiss the challenges and obstacles to overcome for Uconn football. I think ND is the wild card now in all this. The ACC is keeping a spot open for ND to come in as a full member. Its probably not going to happen right away, but if ND came in as the 15th member, the ACC would immediately go to 16, and my guess that 16th team becomes Uconn. ND is already a quasi member in football in the ACC ( with half their schedule guaranteed to be ACC teams.) The telling point for me with ND was that they bypassed the Big in its new Hockey league to have their Hockey program ask to be invited to Hockey East. .. and were accepted. That signifies that ND continues to look East , not Midwest. Uconn's acceptance into the Hockey East gets little mention on this site from my observation, but it is not insignificant in Uconn 's final destination in the future. ( I don't see Uconn withdrawing from HE, to go to the Big, and I see no evidence of any serious effort of the BIG to move further East, as Rutgers ( as crappy as they are ) give the BIG the TV concentration in the Big Apple they wanted. Uconn will be in the ACC in a couple of years, imo once they get their football program in fast accelearation and win out in the AAC
As for today, the ACC needs to be very careful. ND looks out for itself first and foremost. That did not work out well for the Big E.
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