UConn Outbound Transfers for 8/1/23>7/31/24 Cycle

[husky429]

Listen, I agree is seems weird to me, but I am in my 40s. Kids are just different now. But I cannot deny that when we looked at the data, it didn't reflect that and then when we did studies on it, the amount of pay was not that important, and then when we put solutions in place that had nothing to do with raising wages, and mind you this was against what every manager in my company wanted to do, they all wanted to give more money, but we didn't and we were able to drastically reduce the quality people leaving our company. Now maybe where I work is unique, but we are one of the largest employers of working class labor in the country, so I imagine it reflects the larger mood of the younger generation pretty accurately.

I agree with you entirely; I'm just pointing out that this assumes a baseline of workplace culture and decent enough pay to survive. I did a 50-page lit review on this for my first master's.

You aren't going to retain employees paying 12 bucks an hour for hard labor no matter how many holiday parties you host. Once you have a modicum of respect and decent pay in a workplace, all the other stuff you're describing becomes relevant.

 

[UConnJim]

You don't have to market yourself as JUCO basically. The way to do it is what Mora has done. Be complimentary of dudes on their way out the door. Some good ones will stay. You really think Christian Haynes and Jackson Mitchell didn't have NIL money offers out there?

Exactly. And, I would bet that staying at UConn will be valuable to both of them down the road.

 

[navery12]

Sophomore Likely vs. Sophomore Joly:

PFF Grades:
Offense: Likely 81.3, Joly 71.9
Receiving: Likely 81.6, Joly 73.8
Drops: Likely 74.1, Joly 59.3
Fumbles: Likely 72.6, Joly 74.6
Run Blocking: Likely 74.1, Joly. 66.0
Pass Blocking: Likely 55.8, Joly. 45.7

Drop %: Likely. 5.9%, Joly. 9.7%

Likely graded as a better TE than Joly as a sophomore and he continued to improve to become elite. Like I said, Joly has time to improve, but Likely is a very tough comp.

Let's try again. NOT A COMP. All I'm saying is Joly is in a good spot with a good QB with history of throwing to his TE's

 

[Dizzy21]

I agree with you entirely; I'm just pointing out that this assumes a baseline of workplace culture and decent enough pay to survive. I did a 50-page lit review on this for my first master's.

You aren't going to retain employees paying 12 bucks an hour for hard labor no matter how many holiday parties you host. Once you have a modicum of respect and decent pay in a workplace, all the other stuff you're describing becomes relevant.

Yes, a baseline where you are not paying dirt is necessary. Before we got into all the details, I think the general point I was trying to make is that those things matter to younger people far more than they do for older people. I would love to talk about this all day, but I think we derailed the chat far enough and I believe it seems in general we agree.

 

[husky429]

Before we got into all the details, I think the general point I was trying to make is that those things matter to younger people far more than they do for older people.

It makes sense. In a world where you aren't getting a pension and know you're not working at the company for most than 3-5 years (most likely), then your working conditions and relationships with other staff matters.

I work in K-12 education admin and even here principals just don't stay more than 5 years anymore. The principal who leads your HS for 25 years and retires as a hero for the town doesn't happen anymore.

 

[cohenzone]

It makes sense. In a world where you aren't getting a pension and know you're not as working at the company for most than 3-5 years (most likely), then your working conditions and relationships with other staff matters.

I work in K-12 education admin and even here principals just don't stay more than 5 years anymore. The principal who leads your HS for 25 years and retires as a hero for the town doesn't happen anymore.

Interesting. As I mentioned the other day, I volunteer in a school that is prek - 4th grade. In 2 years I haven’t seen a teacher over 35. The principal has been there a few years. 50ish. The relative youth of the teachers jumped out at me. Obvious turnover. And the school has a very good environment.

 

[husky429]

Interesting. As I mentioned the other day, I volunteer in a school that is prek - 4th grade. In 2 years I haven’t seen a teacher over 35. The principal has been there a few years. 50ish. The relative youth of the teachers jumped out at me. Obvious turnover. And the school has a very good environment.

Teachers aren't paid enough for the amount of work they have to do. Particularly at the elementary level.

Many quit or become specialists who work with small groups only. 25+ kids is hard. Add in behavior problems and SRBI, difficult parents, the insane amount planning and testing, differentiating for ELs and SPED students, and people on the admin side asking for more, more and more... it's tough to bear. This isn't even taking into account that teaching reading and math well is HARD on the best of days.

I had a pretty sweet gig teaching and had no intention of going to the admin side. But when someone offers you a 45k pay raise and a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to, it's hard to say no.

It takes a long, long time to get up to that top step making 95k for teachers. And that's in CT where we're paid well! I make more now than my BIL and SIL from NC combined, and they've been teachers for 25 and 10 years each.

 

[ZooCougar]

Nice Linked In conversation guys.

 

[cohenzone]

Teachers aren't paid enough for the amount of work they have to do. Particularly at the elementary level.

Many quit or become specialists who work with small groups only. 25+ kids is hard. Add in behavior problems and SRBI, difficult parents, the insane amount planning and testing, differentiating for ELs and SPED students, and people on the admin side asking for more, more and more... it's tough to bear. This isn't even taking into account that teaching reading and math well is HARD on the best of days.

I had a pretty sweet gig teaching and had no intention of going to the admin side. But when someone offers you a 45k pay raise and a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to, it's hard to say no.

It takes a long, long time to get up to that top step making 95k for teachers. And that's in CT where we're paid well! I make more now than my BIL and SIL from NC combined, and they've been teachers for 25 and 10 years each.

My wife was a middle school teacher and was honored at the state level. She was dynamic but ultimately she was burning out for many of the reasons you mentioned Eventually she left the classroom to become in effect an in-house consultant. The school I volunteer in has a large lower income population. They have more specialists than I can count operating with small groups of kids at a time. Effectively I am a tutor and the only volunteer actually involved in academic assistance. One of my close friends is a retired principal having worked in several CT systems from inner city to semi rural. . He has many interesting stories. Getting young people interested in teaching is important. I created a scholarship in my wife’s name at her hs alma mater that goes to a student planning a teaching career. There is no follow up to see if the student follows through. Back to the hijacked thread.

 

[Bubba1957]

As a mid major you need to embrace the fact that UConn is a stepping stone for kids and coaches to get to a Power Conference School.
UConn needs to market that. Hey come here for a year or two help us win. You will get noticed and have a good opportunity to earn a scholarship and NIL deals at a power conference school.

You’re probably right. Can’t help but think of us as top tier university that competes at the highest levels ( see b-ball, hockey, baseball and just about everything other than football).

Saw a tweet form a UMN player announcing he was stayin at MN and rather than go to a winner he was going to try and build a winner. I wish there was more of that. It remains to be seen if guys who leave will make more NIL and get more playing time once we get the NIL funded.

 

[huskymedic]

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[uconnfan68]

People will leave if they're being treated like crap or have no room for advancement. But it seems weird to ignore the entire purpose of a job is to make money here. It's not like any of your employees would be coming in every day if it was volunteer work.

Money is the entire point of a job; it probably just means you pay people well if they're not leaving for more $$$. I can assure you young people are leaving jobs in droves to find better pay--literally had one leave yesterday for that reason.

He’s not just an employee. He’s part of a football team. You build bonds with your teammates, and hopefully they’re enough to inspire loyalty to them and the team, coaches, and school. Good luck expecting any chemistry on any teams if it’s only about the money.

 

[husky429]

He’s not just an employee. He’s part of a football team. You build bonds with your teammates, and hopefully they’re enough to inspire loyalty to them and the team, coaches, and school. Good luck expecting any chemistry on any teams if it’s only about the money.

I wasn't talking about football. It was an off-topic comment.

 

[UConnDan97]

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This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

 

[Scrutiner]

I agree that there are many examples of people from "no-name" schools that surpass people from "elite" schools. But your odds of getting a good start in your career with a Duke/Michigan/NW/Wake/BC degree are higher than UConn, just like UConn is higher than Louisville, Miss State, Houston, WV etc. You can get more NIL money, better football, better degree with most P4 schools. That's why we will have a tough time in this new portal and NIL world. I hate it. Get the bleed-blue kids and let it shake out where it may.

A degree from school X may be a positive or negative when getting your first job. After that you're succeeding or failing based on your performance.

The only caveat is specialty degrees from certain schools may carry with them lifelong connections that might help you leave an unhappy situation anytime in your worklife.

 

[Scrutiner]

That’s just a talking point that people use rather than saying “it’s about the money”. Are there some kids who value something more? Yes sure, but it’s mostly about the money. You’re fooling yourself if you believe otherwise.

This is especially true for those who aren't sure thing NFL players. Most will likely believe it's better to get some money while they can.

 

[Scrutiner]

This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

Carson Wentz and Phil Simms, among many others, would agree.

 

[Scrutiner]

Teachers aren't paid enough for the amount of work they have to do. Particularly at the elementary level.

Many quit or become specialists who work with small groups only. 25+ kids is hard. Add in behavior problems and SRBI, difficult parents, the insane amount planning and testing, differentiating for ELs and SPED students, and people on the admin side asking for more, more and more... it's tough to bear. This isn't even taking into account that teaching reading and math well is HARD on the best of days.

I had a pretty sweet gig teaching and had no intention of going to the admin side. But when someone offers you a 45k pay raise and a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to, it's hard to say no.

It takes a long, long time to get up to that top step making 95k for teachers. And that's in CT where we're paid well! I make more now than my BIL and SIL from NC combined, and they've been teachers for 25 and 10 years each.

He did say things other than money were important:
"a job where you can go to the bathroom when you want to"

 

[gioff2323]

This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

You mean to tell us that if u had offers from both NCSt and UConn you’d consider them equal from a fb perspective? There was a time we were even, that time passed a decade ago.

 

[WhereistheDove?]

This.

Count me in the camp that believes NC State is not an upgrade from UConn really. Do they have a better record? Yes. But being there versus here doesn't help your NFL prospects, and I can make a very good argument that it makes them slightly worse if you're competing for time at a non-elite school...

This is a wild take to me. UConn bias aside, NC State with a (hopefully healthy McCall) throwing passes to him is a significant upgrade. This is not even a question worth discussion.

 

[DoctorWho85]

This is a wild take to me. UConn bias aside, NC State with a (hopefully healthy McCall) throwing passes to him is a significant upgrade. This is not even a question worth discussion.

Exactly. NC State is known to produce good to great QBs. Joly was a top 10 TE with a non existent offense the majority of the season. He consistently was open through the season. If he works on his blocked and drops he’s going to be one of the best TE in the country with NC States offense

 

[gioff2323]

They’re P5, we are not. They pull in over $35 million a year. We’re nowhere near. Who cares who the qb and the are.

 

[Nicklo28]

Joly would have been a number one target if he stayed at UConn. Roberson realize that and they would have been a good combo. Let’s see how he is used at NCST.

 

[UConnDan97]

You mean to tell us that if u had offers from both NCSt and UConn you’d consider them equal from a fb perspective? There was a time we were even, that time passed a decade ago.

They aren't currently equal from a football perspective, but that's not what I'm saying.

What I'm saying is: if the choice is being the primary receiver at UConn or the second or third option at NC State, you're better off at UConn because you'll have more chance to shine for a future run at playing on Sundays.

If you're the second or third option at Alabama, it's a different story. But NC State is not the "Alabama-type" move. That's my point. He was slated to get targeted a bunch if he stayed here...

 

[gioff2323]

I get that, but he likely got a $250k raise and he’s not a Sunday player. Take the $$ and run.