OT: UCF. LSU game

[ConnHuskBask]

When players do this, what are they concerned about? Injury? Or getting exposed against top competition?

Right, I'm sure the first round NFL talent who has been playing in the SEC is worried about getting "exposed" in a meaningless exhibition game.

 

[the Q]

I almost didn't mind them not playing for the title this year. Kind of like the Kenyon Martin/Cincy deal in hoops awhile back where his injury cost them a couple of seed lines. Not the same team w/o Milton. Would've been slaughtered by Bama or Clemson with Mack at the helm. Not that Milton would've meant a win vs either of those two. As it was it's arguable that Murray was/is a better QB than Tua, and Oklahoma still lost.

They shut down Murray for a large portion of the game.

If you’re gonna beat bama, you need a mobile QB who can pulls plays out of their rectum, and/or use a ton of illegal pick plays.

Clemson had Watson and needed a lot of both

 

[The Viking]

Did ESPN need to spend at least 10 minutes of the game pissing all over UCF and the AAC? Of course they started backtracking once UCF pulled to within a score and got the ball back at the end.

And as for the whole oh, well LSU was missing a lot of players - well the players who choose to skip the game or get kicked out of the game for spearing with the helmet don't count. Those are choices the kids make. Bad luck is losing guys to injuries.

So put the LSU players on the field who were injured and put Milton in this game instead of Mack and UCF wins. The difference in the pocket between Mack and Milton is huge. Mack was awful today....although his best pass was the one dropped that should have been a 75 yard TD.

 

[whaler11]

That was a horrendous game. Two dozen penalties, dozens of other mistakes - drop some more touchdown passes jeeze.

 

[TouchdownHusky]

An aside: Could our friends at ESPN have done more bashing of UCF and the non-P5 programs. They are treating college football like its amprivate country club. I'd like to see ESPN go out of business. They completely forgot their early years when they struggled for a audience with their Australian Rules football.

 

[the Q]

An aside: Could our friends at ESPN have done more bashing of UCF and the non-P5 programs. They are treating college football like its amprivate country club. I'd like to see ESPN go out of business. They completely forgot their early years when they struggled for a audience with their Australian Rules football.

The absurd comments supporting Florida were killer.

Especially when the argument is that Florida is part of the group so UCf has to grab their ankles until they are invited into that group.

That’s the circular bs that gets us to UCf situations

 

[The Viking]

UCF needs to take the 2-for-1 and just beat Florida. Things will never change unless you do what it takes to beef up the OOC schedule.

 

[crewbear742]

Florida proved that these guys are ducking them. Offering totally ridiculous offers while turning down reasonable ones

Florida does not consider UCF a peer. There is no one who can force Florida to treat UCF as a peer. If UCF wants to be treated like a peer, it must earn the right. That means UCF needed to swallow its pride and accept what it could get. If Florida offers 2 for 1, then UCF should accept the offer and play the games. It doesn't matter if UCF thinks this is unfair. UCFs opinion about fairness doesn't matter. What matters is the outcome of the games.

Remember that refusing to play the 2-1 with Florida does not hurt Florida. It only hurts UCF. Florida is offering UCF terms that Florida considers reasonable for a competition between P5 and Non P5. Other P5 schools will agree the Florida is being reasonable. UCF refusing the 2-1 will cast UCF as an entitled school seeking privileges above its modest station. It will not come across as a school unjustifiably wronged and insulted.

UCF should have accepted the terms.

 

[Hoophound]

Yep. UCF should take the deal with UF. The narrative that UCF can’t hang with LSU is stupid. With Milton UCF wins this game by 20 points. Without dropping easy catches, this version of UCF wins by 14 today.

 

[the Q]

Florida does not consider UCF a peer. There is no one who can force Florida to treat UCF as a peer. If UCF wants to be treated like a peer, it must earn the right. That means UCF needed to swallow its pride and accept what it could get. If Florida offers 2 for 1, then UCF should accept the offer and play the games. It doesn't matter if UCF thinks this is unfair. UCFs opinion about fairness doesn't matter. What matters is the outcome of the games.

Remember that refusing to play the 2-1 with Florida does not hurt Florida. It only hurts UCF. Florida is offering UCF terms that Florida considers reasonable for a competition between P5 and Non P5. Other P5 schools will agree the Florida is being reasonable. UCF refusing the 2-1 will cast UCF as an entitled school seeking privileges above its modest station. It will not come across as a school unjustifiably wronged and insulted.

UCF should have accepted the terms.

Yep. UCF should take the deal with UF. The narrative that UCF can’t hang with LSU is stupid. With Milton UCF wins this game by 20 points. Without dropping easy catches, this version of UCF wins by 14 today.

1) both of you lose all rights to complain about conference realignment. At all. Period. Full stop. End of discussion.

2) UCf has the same amount if titles over the last 10 years as Florida.

3) Florida is ducking them and this is a great pr stunt. They dodge them by offering an abysmal deal for UCF. Boise got a return game with Oregon and got va tech and Georgia to play one game on neutral sites. Florida ran scared from similar proposals from UCF. I can’t belive people are buying this bs. This is more of a fake offer than the Washington nationals offer to Bryce Harper on the last day of the regular season. An offer that you know they won’t accept just so you can throw your hands up and say you tried.

 

[Hoophound]

Nah. We turned down a long series with ND and completely removed ourselves from the national picture in the process. It was a mistake not to take the deal and remain more visible.

The attention generated by a UCF/Florida series would be worth it just for recruiting alone in the state of Florida.

 

[Ewekon]

An aside: Could our friends at ESPN have done more bashing of UCF and the non-P5 programs. They are treating college football like its amprivate country club. I'd like to see ESPN go out of business. They completely forgot their early years when they struggled for a audience with their Australian Rules football.

We honestly laughed and called it Eastern Soccer Programming Network at the start.

 

[Hi-Low]

Yep. UCF should take the deal with UF. The narrative that UCF can’t hang with LSU is stupid. With Milton UCF wins this game by 20 points. Without dropping easy catches, this version of UCF wins by 14 today.

With Milton vs. LSU with regular defensive players LSU still wins probably. On a good day UCF (or AAC) can beat a good SEC team but week in & week out UCF would be a middling SEC team. That said UCF could play at high level in rest of P5 probably just not SEC.

 

[Hoophound]

With Milton vs. LSU with regular defensive players LSU still wins probably. On a good day UCF (or AAC) can beat a good SEC team but week in & week out UCF would be a middling SEC teams. That said UCF could play at high level in rest of P5 probably just not SEC.

I can’t argue this, but I felt UCF missed several TD opportunities that they basically never miss on. The drops were painful and uncharacteristic.

 

[Sky ball]

I can’t argue this, but I felt UCF missed several TD opportunities that they basically never miss on. The drops were painful and uncharacteristic.

The game turned on the 3rd down sack in LSU territory where the UCF guy spiked the ball, got a 15 yard penalty which gave LSU a 1st down and they marched down for a TD. Upon reflection was that a 4th down sack?

 

[crewbear742]

Florida is ducking them and this is a great pr stunt. They dodge them by offering an abysmal deal for UCF.

You can run from the truth. You can hide from the truth. You can suppress the truth. You can deny the truth. You can't make the truth into falsehood. You have to deal with the world as it is, and not as you want it to be. What I said is true. It may be unfair. It remains true.

The "Florida is ducking UCF with a PR stunt" narrative is a very self-serving narrative for UCF. It's not an obvious conclusion because of the difference in status between Florida and UCF. The people who matter (defined as "the P5") will not accept that narrative as true. No one is going to shame Florida into changing its mind. So UCF can sulk in its wounded pride and get nothing, or it can accept the terms and get to play the games.

Which is better? 1. Playing the games on Florida's terms? 2. Standing on principle and getting no games whatsoever? It's not like Florida has to play UCF. Florida won't have trouble finding opponents. And if Florida wins, it won't have trouble getting into the CFP race. UCF is looking to improve its SOS. UCF has to make the concessions.

 

[the Q]

You can run from the truth. You can hide from the truth. You can suppress the truth. You can deny the truth. You can't make the truth into falsehood. You have to deal with the world as it is, and not as you want it to be. What I said is true. It may be unfair. It remains true.

The "Florida is ducking UCF with a PR stunt" narrative is a very self-serving narrative for UCF. It's not an obvious conclusion because of the difference in status between Florida and UCF. The people who matter (defined as "the P5") will not accept that narrative as true. No one is going to shame Florida into changing its mind. So UCF can sulk in its wounded pride and get nothing, or it can accept the terms and get to play the games.

Which is better? 1. Playing the games on Florida's terms? 2. Standing on principle and getting no games whatsoever? It's not like Florida has to play UCF. Florida won't have trouble finding opponents. And if Florida wins, it won't have trouble getting into the CFP race. UCF is looking to improve its SOS. UCF has to make the concessions.

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