Key tweets, and it's all gone to Hell.

[NH Husky]

Come on man there’s no world where UConn is in a power 2 conference, I hate to admit.

I understand where you’re coming from, the same could’ve been said about Rutgers 15 years ago.

I also think this whole current setup is on the verge of a major blow up and I’m not sure where I’d want us to be. The influence of money paying players is going to turn sour soon. Someone posted a list of program values and Texas was way above others. How long are traditional powerhouses like Alabama gonna play second fiddle to them? And they’d have to pay so much to keep up with football their other programs would surely suffer.

I suspect that during the next decade we will see huge changes. How we view content. And a split between football, hoops, and other sports. I would be content with tier 1 hoops, tier 2 football, and a mix of remaining sports trying to keep baseball, hockey, and soccers (m & w) tier 1.

But until then, let’s see what happens.

 

[ZooCougar]

They might be in nowheresville, but they have more dedicated fan bases and get better tv ratings. Look it up.

And the only ACC school that has a landing spot is UNC. People keep saying the ACC is going to break up. But it isn't. You're in fantasy land.

 

[CL82]

I understand where you’re coming from the same would’ve been said about Rutgers 15 years ago

Maybe, but not by those in the know. Rutgers was quietly groomed by the Big Ten to be an acceptable candidate. No promises, mind you, just direction on things that they would need to change to even be considered a possibility.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

And the only ACC school that has a landing spot is UNC. People keep saying the ACC is going to break up. But it isn't. You're in fantasy land.

Got this bookmarked and will check back in with you when the fourth ACC school departs.

 

[freescooter]

The most recent moves by B1G and SEC seems like they have had some agreement as to respective territories. Seems 10 years ago B1G could have snatched up Texas yet they didn’t. Their footprints do not overlap.

B1G moves indicate population centers and potential are attractive to them. Rutgers (NYC), Maryland (DC), and Southern California. Washington and Oregon brought in at half possibly to appease Cals. Only trend bucker is Nebraska.

SEC looked at population, cultural fit, and football reputation. Texas schools, Missouri, and Oklahoma.

If both conferences intend to get to 20, B1G needs 2, SEC needs 4.

Schools meeting criteria to each, are not overlapping, and if they are conceding markets, these schools may have appeal to each:

B1G
Notre Dame, UConn, Arizona, Virginia

SEC
North Carolina, Florida St, Clemson, NC State, Georgia Tech, West Virginia

Arizona and Virginia could go either way

Wildcards: Colorado, Utah, Miami

The likes of Syracuse, BC, Pitt had their chance to show there stuff and couldn’t make the grade.

I know it’s pure speculation but I can’t help but think having the best athletic department (by a huge margin) in NY/NE and demonstration of sports improvements when provided the resources, UConn must have significant appeal.

It does seem like there is some agreement among the Big10 and SEC but it might be more just a case of serendipity. As far as Texas goes the world was different. The Longhorn net was valuable. The Big wouldn’t let them keep it.

I think the Big 10 has been after “programs.” The exceptions are Rutgers and Maryland which were simply money grabs when cable was king. Not so much any more. Those are 2 schools that are in pro areas. They are and will be an afterthought most of the time. Rutgers Carrie’s the New York market about as strongly as UMass Carrie’s the Boston market. Maryland draws about 35,000. Drew 42000 for USC but that was the only game over 40,000 last year. They are neither DC’s nor Baltimore’s teams.

 

[ZooCougar]

Got this bookmarked and will check back in with you when the fourth ACC school departs.

Sure thing. You’re just as bad as MHVER.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

Sure thing. You’re just as bad as MHVER.

Nobody is as bad as him.

 

[ZooCougar]

Nobody is as bad as him.

You are if you think that some school is dumb enough to pay a $75M exit fee in 2031 to make less money in the Big 12.

Everyone will stay put and count their exit fee and then they will drink the Big 12's milkshake and have West Virginia or something. You're lawst.

 

[NH Husky]

Maybe, but not by those in the know. Rutgers was quietly groomed by the Big Ten to be an acceptable candidate. No promises, mind you, just direction on things that they would need to change to even be considered a possibility.

Not hard to believe. Have to also wonder what other “secret grooming” has/is happening. New England and a good chunk of New York metro is an awful big carrot.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

You are if you think that some school is dumb enough to pay a $75M exit fee in 2031 to make less money in the Big 12.

Everyone will stay put and count their exit fee and then they will drink the Big 12's milkshake and have West Virginia or something. You're lawst.

Stick with the program... 4 or more ACC schools will land in the SEC/BIG10. ESPN will then devalue the ACC contract, which will leave the remaining schools to have to petition for the Big12 as their tv valuations will be less than the Big12. In 2031 the Big12 payout per school is $50m (that's what their contract starting next year calls for). Once the ACC loses its top schools, the ACC remnants are likely to fetch half the $50m figure (given that the top 4 ACC programs drive about 50% of the overall ACC tv valuations). If you do the math, it's only a three year payback to pay the 2031 exit fee. So, schools like Louisville, VA Tech, etc will be scrambling to get into the Big12.

 

[ZooCougar]

Stick with the program... 4 or more ACC schools will land in the SEC/BIG10. ESPN will then devalue the ACC contract, which will leave the remaining schools to have to petition for the Big12 as their tv valuations will be less than the Big12. In 2031 the Big12 payout per school is $50m (that's what their contract starting next year calls for). Once the ACC loses its top schools, the ACC remnants are likely to fetch half the $50m figure (given that the top 4 ACC programs drive about 50% of the overall ACC tv valuations). If you do the math, it's only a three year payback to pay the 2031 exit fee. So, schools like Louisville, VA Tech, etc will be scrambling to get into the Big12.

Haha they don’t have $50M per school to distribute. Stop it.

 

[ZooCougar]

Not hard to believe. Have to also wonder what other “secret grooming” has/is happening. New England and a good chunk of New York metro is an awful big carrot.

None.

 

[CL82]

Haha they don’t have $50M per school to distribute. Stop it.

No idea where he got that number from, but maybe it's a combination of the media rights (@$35?) money plus the CFP money (@$15M)?

Just a guess, and yes, those figures are from memory if anyone has accurate numbers, feel free to correct them.

 

[billybud]

The Atlantic Coast Conference generated $711 million for the 2023-24 academic year, according to new tax documents released by the league, distributing an average of $45 million to each of its 14 full-time member schools, a record for the conference.

In February, the SEC distributed $808 million to its membership for the 2023-24 year, averaging about $53 million per school.


ESPN

 

[ZooCougar]

No idea where he got that number from, but maybe it's a combination of the media rights (@$35?) money plus the CFP money (@$15M)?

Just a guess, and yes, those figures are from memory if anyone has accurate numbers, feel free to correct them.

He's a MHVER. He doesn't even know that the ACC makes almost twice as much as the Hayseed 12.

 

[ZooCougar]

No idea where he got that number from, but maybe it's a combination of the media rights (@$35?) money plus the CFP money (@$15M)?

Just a guess, and yes, those figures are from memory if anyone has accurate numbers, feel free to correct them.

If they figure out how to do that then it only means that everyone else is making more.

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

There's this thing called Google and it shows:

"For the 2024-25 academic year, the Big 12 Conference distributed approximately $558 million in total revenue, with the four newest schools (BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, Houston) receiving smaller shares ($19 million) while the established members received larger, but slightly reduced, payouts compared to the previous year. Starting in the 2025-26 year, all 16 schools will receive a full, equal share, with total revenue from the new media deal expected to reach around $50 million per school annually".
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In addition, the ACC by going to an unequal revenue share model is going to substantially reduce the monies going to schools not named FSU, Clemson, NC, etc thereby putting even more pressure on the likes of Louisville, NC State, VA Tech, etc to look at alternatives now so as to find greener pastures leading up to 2031. The analysis has already been done and now the posturing/networking/informal discussions phase has been entered. What the public sees and hears about is usually a year or more behind what is transpiring behind closed doors.

 

[UConnJim]

The conference that will end up being gone if
One of the 4 is gone will be the Big 12. They have no real value to cable or steaming TV. More then likely schools like Arizona, Arizona St, Colorado, Kansas, Kansas St, Texas A@M
Would join the ACC, because Notre Dame would probably stay.

I don't understand how people make comments like this. The ACC and Big 12 TV ratings are very close (Big 12 higher, but how much is the Sander effect?) and the difference in the media revenues is primarily the ACCN which we don't know how the network will perform as more people stream sports.

If you take FSU and Clemson out of the ACC, the Big 12 wallops the ACC TV ratings. The Big 12 has the flagship university in Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, West Virginia, as well as BYU (the Mormon flagship). The ACC has North Carolina and Virginia (I guess you could add FSU and Clemson, but then you might add Arizona St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., and Iowa St. as the second largest public universities in the state.)

 

[CTFAN4LIFE]

don't understand how people make comments like this. The ACC and Big 12 TV ratings are very close (Big 12 higher, but how much is the Sander effect?) and the difference in the media revenues is primarily the ACCN which we don't know how the network will perform as more people stream sports.

Agreed. I've looked at the actual data on ACC vs Big12 viewership and while I understand many people thinking bigger/east coast ACC markets would deliver more viewership and value to the ACC vs the smaller metro area Big12 markets, once you take out FSU, Clemson and whatever next two you want (i.e. the 4 most likely SEC/Big10 candidates), the Big12 carries more water. It just does. And with the ACC already having its own network and the Big12 not, there is more upside in the Big12. It might defy logic or emotions on here, but it's just the cold hard facts. Then, add to those facts that Yormark is a more astute and aggressive leader than Phillips and that the ACC is a band of unlike schools as opposed to the Big12 schools being more like minded, it adds up to the Big12 being more likely to prevail over the remnant occupied ACC.

 

[ZooCougar]

I don't understand how people make comments like this. The ACC and Big 12 TV ratings are very close (Big 12 higher, but how much is the Sander effect?) and the difference in the media revenues is primarily the ACCN which we don't know how the network will perform as more people stream sports.

If you take FSU and Clemson out of the ACC, the Big 12 wallops the ACC TV ratings. The Big 12 has the flagship university in Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Kansas, West Virginia, as well as BYU (the Mormon flagship). The ACC has North Carolina and Virginia (I guess you could add FSU and Clemson, but then you might add Arizona St., Kansas St., Oklahoma St., and Iowa St. as the second largest public universities in the state.)

The SEC has shown no interest in Clemson and FSU. They already have what those schools offer.

UNC is the only school that likely has a landing spot.

 

[CL82]

The SEC has shown no interest in Clemson and FSU. They already have what those schools offer.

UNC is the only school that likely has a landing spot.

This is the worst possible result for Connecticut as I see Clemson and FSU exercising their veto against any attempt to add Connecticut to the ACC

 

[ZooCougar]

This is the worst possible result for Connecticut as I see Clemson and FSU exercising their veto against any attempt to add Connecticut to the ACC

The worst possible result for us is usually the most likely.

 

[Ha Who]

The worst possible result for us is usually the most likely.

 

[UConnTrumbull]

This is the worst possible result for Connecticut as I see Clemson and FSU exercising their veto against any attempt to add Connecticut to the ACC

I just don’t see Clemson and FSU in the ACC after 2030-31. B1G will probably take them. They’ve given up on caring about the academics.

 

[buddy]

Enjoy UConn now. Things will stay like this for another 5 years of so. Support the teams. Support the school. Stop wishin' and hopin'. ACC and Big 12 will sit tight for now, it seems. ACC has made their stance clear more than a decade ago and has not even given UConn a second look. Big 12 jerked UConn around a couple times lately, which is unforgivable. The underlying evil remains ESPN and no one in Ct has the guts to stand up to them. They control the purse strings and u ltimately make the decisions on conference realignment.