Yeah and they know it. They are in the best position with respect to conference realignment. Lucky them.
The B1G12 has always wanted Virginia and UNC. It's been a long running thing for them. They even wanted Georgia Tech and Duke. I'm not sure what happens to little brothers NC State and VT in such a situation, but I'm projecting they get left behind. FSU, Miami, Clemson, 2 of these will join the SEC.
I don't understand our disconnect here. Basketball teams would not share football dollars. So the money aspect is irrelevant.
That's old news. They now added two teams in Los Angeles. They won't be expanding Southeast, that ship has sailed. They may not be expanding at all. But if they do, Washington would top the list. Oregon has the sports, but not the academics. Stanford and Cal are the opposite.
Yeah, I’m not sure what the disconnect is either. I don’t know how I can state it more simply than to note that non-football playing schools don’t bring any significant value, and therefore aren’t particularly attractive new conference members. I guess you’re postulating that the ACC would form some kind of hybrid conference. I think that is unlikely, because basketball only schools do not bring value to media partners. Until they do, they’re just baggage.
If the B1G could grab UVa, ND and UNC, they'd do it instantly. Not buying that there's a lack of interest.
I'm saying their value is irrelevant since they wouldn't be sharing any football money.
It’s not so much lack of interest as lack of value. It would be hard enough to get a deal that would pay them their own value, never mind increase the monies being paid to the remaining conference members. That’s the bottom line. Any addition has to increase the the monies flowing to the existing members. A basketball only addition won’t do that.
Any basketball playing program in the Big East now is worth less as a basketball only school in a conference like the ACC. It would be a pittance. They'd have no reason to do it, in either direction.
That’s probably right. Assuming a new big east broadcast rates deal of $8 million per school, that equates to a value of approximately $40 million per school for a football school. That would make the move, at best, a push. I agree there’s no reason to do it on either side.
You don't see how these 2 massive and rich states add value? Population alone compared to most B1G states. ND has a standing offer.
The ACC would have a need, to provide inventory for whoever has their contract. 6 or 8 members is tough.
It's just not going to happen. The ACC isn't going to lose many teams, if any. None of them are going anywhere for a decade at least, and the rest of the shuffling will be done by then. The Pac is gone, or soon will be. There will be four conferences of 16-20 teams + the MWC will expand with the worst of the Pac leftovers and be the 5th best league.
I have no idea but it seems to me the rust belt would be very interested in expanding in the southeast. Lots of B1G alumni in the Carolinas and Florida as well as football recruits. I don't think the B1G is done. It's probably just trying to figure out how big to go and when. Washington, Oregon, UNC, UVA.
Well, again, the “inventory” media partners would be looking to replace is “football inventory” because 80% of the value of the contract is derivative of football. You keep talking as if football playing schools and non-football playing schools are fungible. They are not.
I have no idea what you're saying. Honestly. Football and non-football are fungible? I don't even now what you're trying to say. Do you mean they don't want basketball inventory? A network would want the total package, football and basketball.
I don’t disagree with you. Perhaps his thinking is McDonalds once owned a small Mexican chain. They were the powerhouse and the small chain was separate from their core money maker. I would guess his thinking is a conference might want to own some basketball schools Whatever, I still say rule 1 applies so going back and forth is irrelevant
You seem to be saying, repeatedly, that if the ACC loses football playing members, it will replace them with non-football playing members. That makes zero sense to anyone who has even a vague idea of the college landscape.
There is a glut of basketball inventory. They have more than they need. Maybe if some new outlets get in the game (Amazon, Apple...) then they demand will come back. But your whole premise is based on them losing 6 schools, which won't happen. They have UConn that would join. Cinci and WVU that would switch when the Big 12 deal is up. So that's 18 total. If they lose two, they are still at 16.
Yes I have not even a vague sense of college sports. Thank you.
Well knowing that it’s the first step toward fixing it.
ESPN just lost the B1G. You guys have way too much confidence in the ACCs continued existence. The B1G is a lot more interested in that ACC space than you imagine. It's crucial for their football. And it's the whole reason they ever invited Maryland in the 1st place.
This reminds me of the UConn to Hockey East discussion we had here a decade ago. The idea was ridiculed, when I absolutely knew they wanted UConn to join. What happened? I feel as confident about the ACC blowing up as I did back then about UConn (which wasn't even D1) joining the BE.Well knowing that it’s the first step toward fixing it.
Oh, the ACC may well lose members, but they won’t look to plug those holes with schools that don’t play football because it doesn’t make financial sense.