Big Ten Conference Season Tip -off. Who's #1?

[visitingcock]

Well we have The Big Ten Conference season Kickoff Saturday with two games. Then everybody else in action on Sunday.

Predict the Regular Season Champ!

Saturday, December 9, 2023​

2:00 PM
BTN

• Nebraska
  (7-20-0Big Ten)
• Michigan State
  (7-10-0Big Ten)

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• 16
  Indiana
  (7-10-0Big Ten)
• Rutgers
  (6-50-0Big Ten)
  
  
  

  Sunday, December 10, 2023​

  
  1:00 PM
  • 25
    Penn State
    (7-20-0Big Ten)
    
    
  • 12
    Ohio State
    (7-10-0Big Ten)
  
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  • Northwestern
    (3-50-0Big Ten)
    
    
  • Maryland
    (6-30-0Big Ten)
    
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  • Purdue
    (5-30-0Big Ten)
    
    
  • Minnesota
    (7-10-0Big Ten)
  
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  • 4
    Iowa
    (8-10-0Big Ten)
    
    
  • Wisconsin
    (5-30-0Big Ten)
    
    
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  • B
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  • Michigan
    (7-10-0Big Ten)
    
    
  • Illinois
    (4-20-0Big Ten)
    
    
  • Only one game per day being Televised by BTN? That kinda sucks if true.

 

[JstVisiting]

Can someone explain the Big Ten's scheduling philosophy? Ohio State and Maryland schedule aggressively, but that's about it.

Feels like everybody else is trying to game the NET like some mid-major conference. Unless Tennessee rights the ship, good chance South Carolina alone will have more nonconference wins over the end of year top 25 than the entire big ten.

 

[visitingcock]

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Can someone explain the Big Ten's scheduling philosophy? Ohio State and Maryland schedule aggressively, but that's about it.

Feels like everybody else is trying to game the NET like some mid-major conference. Unless Tennessee rights the ship, good chance South Carolina alone will have more nonconference wins over the end of year top 25 than the entire big ten.

tennessee joined the Big Ten?

 

[cancontent]

Can someone explain the Big Ten's scheduling philosophy? Ohio State and Maryland schedule aggressively, but that's about it.

Feels like everybody else is trying to game the NET like some mid-major conference. Unless Tennessee rights the ship, good chance South Carolina alone will have more nonconference wins over the end of year top 25 than the entire big ten.

You're asking a question which requires the ability for fans to read the minds of coaches. Some of these games are scheduled well in advance (e.g. Thanksgiving tournaments) and how it reflects NET rankings is out of their control.

Also, some teams have new coaching staffs (Mich State and Minnesota). Maybe they opted to set up a non-conference schedule that gives them a chance to assess their team and make adjustments before conference play starts?

Iowa's non-conference schedule has some decent teams in there that shouldn't be discounted.

 

[TerpWomenFan]

Can someone explain the Big Ten's scheduling philosophy? Ohio State and Maryland schedule aggressively, but that's about it.

Feels like everybody else is trying to game the NET like some mid-major conference. Unless Tennessee rights the ship, good chance South Carolina alone will have more nonconference wins over the end of year top 25 than the entire big ten.

Is Iowa not scheduled aggressively? If not, the Big 10 is dumb.

 

[BigTenGuy]

Can someone explain the Big Ten's scheduling philosophy?

It's fair to question the non-con scheduling done independently by some of the Big Ten schools, but that criticism overlooks the fact that the Big Ten now plays 18 conference games, which is a really good thing with 14 teams, rather than the 16-game schedule that the SEC still uses with 14 times. Also, in terms of Big Ten conference scheduling, the schedule is rigged* so the expected good teams play each other more times. For example, Iowa last year played Indiana and Maryland twice, and OSU once in the regular season. That was the league's top 4 teams. South Carolina, by contrast, if I read it right, played 1 regular-season game each against the second, third and fourth place teams (LSU, Tenn, Ole Miss). This year, South Carolina has 5 total scheduled regular season games against the four other members of the pre-season top 5 (LSU, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State). That seems like a weak conference schedule, but of course, South Carolina plays a really challenging non-conference schedule. So the whole picture needs to be kept in mind.



*"The Big Ten women's basketball schedule is determined annually based on predicted order of finish. The teams were tiered into like groups and those tiers were used to mathematically develop a competitively-balanced and equitable 18-game conference schedule with teams playing similar tiered teams more frequently. All teams will play away at the four teams they did not travel to last year." If the SEC had this philosophy, you wouldn't see

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[BigTenGuy]

It's fair to question the non-con scheduling done independently by some of the Big Ten schools, but that criticism overlooks the fact that the Big Ten now plays 18 conference games, which is a really good thing with 14 teams, rather than the 16-game schedule that the SEC still uses with 14 teams. Also, in terms of Big Ten conference scheduling, the schedule is rigged* so the expected good teams play each other more times. For example, Iowa last year played Indiana and Maryland twice, and OSU once in the regular season. That was the league's top 4 teams. South Carolina, by contrast, if I read it right, played 1 regular-season game each against the second, third and fourth place teams (LSU, Tenn, Ole Miss). This year, South Carolina has 5 total scheduled regular season games against the four other members of the pre-season top 5 (LSU, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State). That seems like a weak conference schedule, but of course, South Carolina plays a really challenging non-conference schedule. So the whole picture needs to be kept in mind.



*"The Big Ten women's basketball schedule is determined annually based on predicted order of finish. The teams were tiered into like groups and those tiers were used to mathematically develop a competitively-balanced and equitable 18-game conference schedule with teams playing similar tiered teams more frequently. All teams will play away at the four teams they did not travel to last year."

Big Ten Opponents Announced for 2023-24 Season - University of Minnesota Athletics

The Big Ten Conference has announced the slate of league opponents for the upcoming 2023-24 season, identifying which of the 13 other member schools the Minn...

gophersports.com

Above now corrected. Hit post before ready, and didn't see edit function.

 

[Gamecockfan77]

It's fair to question the non-con scheduling done independently by some of the Big Ten schools, but that criticism overlooks the fact that the Big Ten now plays 18 conference games, which is a really good thing with 14 teams, rather than the 16-game schedule that the SEC still uses with 14 times. Also, in terms of Big Ten conference scheduling, the schedule is rigged* so the expected good teams play each other more times. For example, Iowa last year played Indiana and Maryland twice, and OSU once in the regular season. That was the league's top 4 teams. South Carolina, by contrast, if I read it right, played 1 regular-season game each against the second, third and fourth place teams (LSU, Tenn, Ole Miss). This year, South Carolina has 5 total scheduled regular season games against the four other members of the pre-season top 5 (LSU, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Mississippi State). That seems like a weak conference schedule, but of course, South Carolina plays a really challenging non-conference schedule. So the whole picture needs to be kept in mind.



*"The Big Ten women's basketball schedule is determined annually based on predicted order of finish. The teams were tiered into like groups and those tiers were used to mathematically develop a competitively-balanced and equitable 18-game conference schedule with teams playing similar tiered teams more frequently. All teams will play away at the four teams they did not travel to last year." If the SEC had this philosophy, you wouldn't see

Big Ten Opponents Announced for 2023-24 Season - University of Minnesota Athletics

The Big Ten Conference has announced the slate of league opponents for the upcoming 2023-24 season, identifying which of the 13 other member schools the Minn...

gophersports.com

the SEC's failure to arrange for the expected best teams to play twice is sort of hard to understand.

Also I'm not sure top to bottom anyone would find the SEC schedules all that challenging. Particularly since LSU does what LSU does

 

[Bigboote]

Indiana has played some patsies, but they've also played Stanford, Tennessee, and Princeton.

 

[Vowelguy]

Unless you’re confident you are a top 20 team, the name of the game is to get wins in the non conference. Then you at least give yourself a shot at the WNIT, and to start building something.

 

[triaddukefan]

Ohio State

 

[cancontent]

With the start of B10 conference play, I'm no longer sure of what to expect this season. Based on some of the games in non-conference play, it feels like most of the top teams seem vulnerable with the exception of Ohio State.

Iowa is still trying to find their second scorer behind Clark. Indiana looks like they're going to roll with a short bench as depth doesn't seem to be there. Michigan just got punched in the mouth by Toledo and couldn't respond. Not hearing much about Illinois however they've won the games they're expected to and have been competitive in the games they lost (Marquette & Notre Dame).

Could be more drama in the conference than some expect this season. Good for the conference as a whole.

 

[JellyBean]

The Big Ten games on today. Today we got Indiana/Rutgers and Nebraska/Michigan State. I got the winning teams bolden. Crazy how sometimes you get a new coach and things either workout and you are the hottest coach in the land. Everyone wants to talk to you. Or things don't work out and folks are calling for the coaches job or saying how this was a bad hire, after 8 games. Coach Farlick seems to have the Spartans heading in the right direction. The Spartans could make some noise this season in the Big Ten. We shall see what develops.

Sunday is the meat of the schedule:
1). Northwestern/Maryland
2). Penn State/Ohio State
3). Purdue/Minnesota
4). Iowa/Wisconsin
5). Michigan/Illinois

 

[GoldenGophs]

Minnesota is making strong improvements under coach P. I would like to see a top 6 finish for them if things click in the conference schedule.

 

[Plebe]

I agree Ohio State is the frontrunner.

Below OSU on the mezzanine are Iowa and Indiana. Iowa imho will not be as good as last season because they simply don't have the horses to replace Czinano and Warnock, and they're particularly lacking an inside presence. Having Clark makes them dangerous, but even the best players need help.

After those top 3 I just see mostly mediocrity. There's a mushy middle of about 8 teams that did nothing wonderful in the nonconference but might do just enough in Big Ten play to make the NCAAs. Rutgers and Northwestern just look plain bad to me, and I don't think Wisconsin is there yet (lost to Butler last week).

 

[cancontent]

The Big Ten games on today. Today we got Indiana/Rutgers and Nebraska/Michigan State. I got the winning teams bolden. Crazy how sometimes you get a new coach and things either workout and you are the hottest coach in the land. Everyone wants to talk to you. Or things don't work out and folks are calling for the coaches job or saying how this was a bad hire, after 8 games. Coach Farlick seems to have the Spartans heading in the right direction. The Spartans could make some noise this season in the Big Ten. We shall see what develops.

Sunday is the meat of the schedule:
1). Northwestern/Maryland
2). Penn State/Ohio State
3). Purdue/Minnesota
4). Iowa/Wisconsin
5). Michigan/Illinois

Michigan State didn't come through for you unfortunately yesterday. Watched the game and while they did a good job holding Markowski to no points in the first half, Nebraska figured it out in the second. The game out of hand but man, did they put on a furious comeback that was too late.

They could make some noise, but they're going to be hampered in some areas. Mich State losing Alexander as their primary big is going to be a challenge for them this season. While I've been a fan of Aryault and she's doing yeoman's work to play the 5, there will be tough match ups like yesterday.

 

[visitingcock]

Michigan State didn't come through for you unfortunately yesterday. Watched the game and while they did a good job holding Markowski to no points in the first half, Nebraska figured it out in the second. The game out of hand but man, did they put on a furious comeback that was too late.

They could make some noise, but they're going to be hampered in some areas. Mich State losing Alexander as their primary big is going to be a challenge for them this season. While I've been a fan of Aryault and she's doing yeoman's work to play the 5, there will be tough match ups like yesterday.

Michigan State was ranked 7th by NET yesterday.

With that loss, they fell to 11th today.

Yes, that’s NET national rank! Not conference rank.

 

[JellyBean]

Michigan State was ranked 7th by NET yesterday.

With that loss, they fell to 11th today.

Yes, that’s NET national rank! Not conference rank.

I mean, I get that it is early in the season, but this is pretty impressive for Michigan State.

 

[Vowelguy]

Doesnt NET use some game stats to calculate an 'efficiency' metric? So it's not just W/L, margin of victory, and strength of opponent?

 

[visitingcock]

Doesnt NET use some game stats to calculate an 'efficiency' metric? So it's not just W/L, margin of victory, and strength of opponent?

I’ve gotta hand the ball off.

@Plebe HELP

 

[Plebe]

Doesnt NET use some game stats to calculate an 'efficiency' metric? So it's not just W/L, margin of victory, and strength of opponent?

I’ve gotta hand the ball off.

@Plebe HELP

This is correct.

What components does the Women’s Basketball NET include?​

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The women’s basketball NET includes Adjusted Net Efficiency and Team Value Index. The NET rankings DO NOT include any preseason data. ...​

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What is meant by Adjusted Net Efficiency?​

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Adjusted Net Efficiency is a measure of a team’s overall performance during the regular season, determined by the difference between offensive efficiency (points per possession) and defensive efficiency (opponents points per possession). It also accounts for strength of opponents (as measured by their adjusted net efficiency) and location (home/away/neutral) of the games (against Division I opponents only).​

Division I Women’s Basketball NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) FAQs

Division I Women’s Basketball NCAA Evaluation Tool (NET) FAQs

www.ncaa.org

 

[TerpWomenFan]

PSU gave tOSU a really good game before falling in OT.

Maryland was underwhelming in their victory over Northwestern this afternoon. Could be a long year for the Terps.

 

[Vowelguy]

Still no sign of Owusu

 

[GoldenGophs]

Gophers survive Purdue 60-58! Coach P wins her first B10 conference game.

 

[nwhoopfan]

Michigan is just destroying Illinois.