B1G & SEC non-committal on CFP future

[Drew]

 

[Ha Who]

Talk about an industry screaming for regulation.

 

[CL82]

And there it is.

 

[uconnyankee]

It seems this is becoming the divide that everyone has been expecting to happen.

When more public schools are left on the wayside, will that be when Congress gets involved?

 

[Rufus]

It seems this is becoming the divide that everyone has been expecting to happen.

When more public schools are left on the wayside, will that be when Congress gets involved?

Did Congress care when the Universities of Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. were not included in the top tier of sports decades ago?

 

[Hogoff]

Did Congress care when the Universities of Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. were not included in the top tier of sports decades ago?

Did Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, and Rhode Island care?

 

[ScottVib]

It seems this is becoming the divide that everyone has been expecting to happen.

When more public schools are left on the wayside, will that be when Congress gets involved?

Nope. What states are without a rep that previously had one:

Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Massachusetts, Virginia, Connecticut.

That’s it. This will not move the needle in Congress. Simply not enough members who care, the states are split party-wise to eliminate one party to take up the cause and even if they tried finding allies on either side of the aisle that would want their party associated with acting against big-P2 state U’s interest are slim

 

[Rufus]

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[Kolumbo]

Nope. What states are without a rep that previously had one:

Arizona, Colorado, Utah, Massachusetts, Virginia, Connecticut.

That’s it. This will not move the needle in Congress. Simply not enough members who care, the states are split party-wise to eliminate one party to take up the cause and even if they tried finding allies on either side of the aisle that would want their party associated with acting against big-P2 state U’s interest are slim

I'm not sure I follow your "states without a rep." Kansas, New York, North Carolina, West Virginia

 

[How Sway?!]

This just screams of antitrust lawsyits

 

[Rufus]

I don't think the B1G and SEC are going to do anything close to antitrust-worthy. Are they really that stupid?

Greg Flugaur talked about what is going on here, and it made a lot of sense......

The B1G and SEC both have schools that fit into one of two categories......

1. The schools that are big football brands that will go all-in on NIL.
2. The schools that aren't big football brands, not as interested in going all-in on NIL, and will likely eat a lot of the losses on the field to the big football brands.

The commissioners of both conferences have to represent the best interest of all schools in both categories. Rather than go toe-to-toe with each other, they are going to talk amongst themselves what is the best outcome so that all of the schools are happy with the end result. Adding in other conferences at this point complicates things, but the ACC and Big 12 will be invited to these conversations later on. First, the SEC and B1G need to be on the same page.

For example, let's say the committee wants to see NIL fall under the umbrella of each university rather than being separate entities. Policies that allow for schools to have control over the NIL will satisfy the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. The less competitive schools ---- Northwestern, Minnesota, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Kentucky, etc. know that they will never be able to compete in NIL with the other schools ---- their concerns will be having access to the highest amount of conference payouts as possible so they have the funding in place to pay their athletes an amount that maybe won't keep them competitive with Ohio State and Alabama, but will keep them competitive against an Oklahoma State or a Wake Forest. These schools voted for expansion because it gives them even more money to directly compete against anyone not in the P2.

Now, when the kinks of how the B1G sees things and how the SEC sees things are worked out and both are in agreement of the way to move forward, the ACC and Big 12 will be invited into the conversation. Maybe the G5 too. And they will go from there.

The B1G Commissioner is already talking of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams, giving everyone not in the P2 more access to the playoffs than they have ever had in the past. Carrots will be dangled in front of everyone not in the P2 to allow the P2 to get what they want.

Big Picture for the P2........the goal of the Ohio State's is to have full control of NIL in-house to give them the competitive edge to compete for national championships year in and year out. The goal of the Indiana's is not to go toe-to-toe with the Ohio State's to compete for national championships year in and year out, but rather to have the financial means within the conference payouts to field teams that are favored to beat - or at least be competitive with - any team that is not in the P2.

And if everyone not in the P2 is getting more than they ever got before ---- and more than they could get if the P2 were to theoretically break away ---- everyone not in the P2 will fall in line and vote accordingly.

The goal of the SEC / B1G collaboration is for the P2 to get everything they want while giving everyone else enough to ensure that it happens.

 

[ScottVib]

I'm not sure I follow your "states without a rep." Kansas, New York, North Carolina, West Virginia

I intentionally left out North Carolina. UNC will land somewhere in the P2.

I should’ve left out Mass. & NY or included both, but I don’t see politicians standing up for the private institutions who were left out. The other two are omissions.

Ultimately it still doesn’t provide a critical mass of impacted representatives that would push any kind of Congressional action. You can’t really expand the group of Congress Persons beyond the impacted schools as no politician or party wants to be seen acting counter to the interest of their major state P2 school (similar to how no politician is standing up for CCSU if there was a policy that benefitted UCONN while harming the Blue Devils).

 

[JohnFSilver]

I intentionally left out North Carolina. UNC will land somewhere in the P2.

I should’ve left out Mass. & NY or included both, but I don’t see politicians standing up for the private institutions who were left out. The other two are omissions.

Ultimately it still doesn’t provide a critical mass of impacted representatives that would push any kind of Congressional action. You can’t really expand the group of Congress Persons beyond the impacted schools as no politician or party wants to be seen acting counter to the interest of their major state P2 school (similar to how no politician is standing up for CCSU if there was a policy that benefitted UCONN while harming the Blue Devils).

Just have the SEC Champ play the Big 10 Champ in Rose Bowl/Sugar Bowl for the national title.

Eliminate all other teams

 

[huskymedic]

 

[CL82]

Ugh, those greedy jackwipes are going to ruin everything.

 

[Exit 4]

This is just amazing. We are so far in Warde's review view, I doubt he can recall anything about us anymore.

 

[Chin Diesel]

This is just amazing. We are so far in Warde's review view, I doubt he can recall anything about us anymore.

He is outdoing Mark Emmert at failing up.

 

[Exit 4]

He is outdoing Mark Emmert at failing up.

That maybe....but he will never see it that way. He just keeps winning. Just a dude in a hot air balloon that just floats on and up forever.

With any luck, maybe Warde still has some animus towards the ACC from his UConn days. Maybe he will step on some ACC toes for old time sake.

 

[Chin Diesel]

That maybe....but he will never see it that way. He just keeps winning. Just a dude in a hot air balloon that just floats on and up forever.

With any luck, maybe Warde still has some animus towards the ACC from his UConn days. Maybe he will step on some ACC toes for old time sake.

Warde is a Post Turtle.

 

[Exit 4]

Warde is a Post Turtle.

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Post turtle....welp, thats a new one. Probably a common term in the square states.

Now that Warde is lord of the CFPSC - I suggest we reverse tactics and send flowers, candy & doughnuts. We need friends!

 

[Chin Diesel]

Post turtle....welp, thats a new one. Probably a common term in the square states.

Now that Warde is lord of the CFPSC - I suggest we reverse tactics and send flowers, candy & doughnuts. We need friends!

Really is a great phrase/title for someone.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

Did Congress care when the Universities of Montana, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, etc. were not included in the top tier of sports decades ago?

The market will take care of it. I can not think of the last industry that so actively tried to chase off its own customers as college sports is doing right now.

 

[CL82]

Really is a great phrase/title for someone.

Oh, I will find a time and place to use it.

 

[nelsonmuntz]

I don't think the B1G and SEC are going to do anything close to antitrust-worthy. Are they really that stupid?

Greg Flugaur talked about what is going on here, and it made a lot of sense......

The B1G and SEC both have schools that fit into one of two categories......

1. The schools that are big football brands that will go all-in on NIL.
2. The schools that aren't big football brands, not as interested in going all-in on NIL, and will likely eat a lot of the losses on the field to the big football brands.

The commissioners of both conferences have to represent the best interest of all schools in both categories. Rather than go toe-to-toe with each other, they are going to talk amongst themselves what is the best outcome so that all of the schools are happy with the end result. Adding in other conferences at this point complicates things, but the ACC and Big 12 will be invited to these conversations later on. First, the SEC and B1G need to be on the same page.

For example, let's say the committee wants to see NIL fall under the umbrella of each university rather than being separate entities. Policies that allow for schools to have control over the NIL will satisfy the likes of Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC, Oregon, Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. The less competitive schools ---- Northwestern, Minnesota, Rutgers, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Kentucky, etc. know that they will never be able to compete in NIL with the other schools ---- their concerns will be having access to the highest amount of conference payouts as possible so they have the funding in place to pay their athletes an amount that maybe won't keep them competitive with Ohio State and Alabama, but will keep them competitive against an Oklahoma State or a Wake Forest. These schools voted for expansion because it gives them even more money to directly compete against anyone not in the P2.

Now, when the kinks of how the B1G sees things and how the SEC sees things are worked out and both are in agreement of the way to move forward, the ACC and Big 12 will be invited into the conversation. Maybe the G5 too. And they will go from there.

The B1G Commissioner is already talking of expanding the playoffs to 14 or 16 teams, giving everyone not in the P2 more access to the playoffs than they have ever had in the past. Carrots will be dangled in front of everyone not in the P2 to allow the P2 to get what they want.

Big Picture for the P2........the goal of the Ohio State's is to have full control of NIL in-house to give them the competitive edge to compete for national championships year in and year out. The goal of the Indiana's is not to go toe-to-toe with the Ohio State's to compete for national championships year in and year out, but rather to have the financial means within the conference payouts to field teams that are favored to beat - or at least be competitive with - any team that is not in the P2.

And if everyone not in the P2 is getting more than they ever got before ---- and more than they could get if the P2 were to theoretically break away ---- everyone not in the P2 will fall in line and vote accordingly.

The goal of the SEC / B1G collaboration is for the P2 to get everything they want while giving everyone else enough to ensure that it happens.

If I am wrong and A) the courts have no problem with the P2, and B) the NBA and NFL also decide to allow a direct competitor to grow and thrive, then there still won't be a P2. There will be a P1. One of them will eat the other.

 

[shizzle787]

16-team playoff with no auto bids is coming next.