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Kolumbo said:
The Big Ten just added 4 very big football brands after whiffing with Rutgers and Maryland. Oregon was certainly a football move. They figured it out. It's about football. Does that mean it will still only focus on football, or will it go after UNC and UVA? The ACC was always more of a southern conference but the SEC trumps all, so I think UNC would be more than OK going with the SEC if offered a spot. Vandy, Texas, Georgia, Florida. All more than fine schools.

Will the SEC still only focus on football, or also consider UNC? It's always the chicken and the egg. Conferences carry programs, programs carry conferences, and sometimes they help each other out.

I think Arizona State is the next big thing. Decent football, the Pheonix market, and lots of Big Ten alumni move there, I think.
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Agree. With revenue opportunities ramping up in other sports, and conferences seemingly falling by the wayside (is the demise of ACC imminent, after Pac12?), then conference bragging rights beyond football are coming to the fore. Which conference will be the best in basketball? SEC has been making a push - can't believe that Alabama is a top school in both M&W BB these days. SEC best in softball and baseball - big growth especially in softball (eyeballs on TV). Been watching a lot more ice hockey on TV over the years (at least that's a New England thing), and lacrosse is growing beyond traditional northeast/Atlantic coast footprint but still not quite fully rolled out in the country.

I think the conference media deals of the future will value the extended programming opportunities that these other sports offer throughout the calendar year beyond fall football. First it was geography and top media markets. But with streaming, that's not terribly relevant these days. To wit: I might not live in Iowa or PA but I want to watch Iowa-Penn State wrestling matches. It's the best teams playing in games among different sports that attract eyeballs. Another example is UConn WBB vs. South Carolina, UConn MBB vs. Kansas or Florida, etc.

That's why the SEC and BIG are best positioned to further enrich themselves and their member schools by thinking beyond football as fans love to watch many sports throughout the year, and colleges offer a great alternative to pro sports games. Adding UConn would arguably make BIG the best basketball conference over the SEC, as it's already considered the best in wrestling and women's volleyball. Maybe BIG can't overtake SEC in baseball and softball, but it can become the best in ice hockey, soccer, and lacrosse. They're both setting things up for future media rights negotiations.
 
broooce said:
Agree. With revenue opportunities ramping up in other sports, and conferences seemingly falling by the wayside (is the demise of ACC imminent, after Pac12?), then conference bragging rights beyond football are coming to the fore. Which conference will be the best in basketball? SEC has been making a push - can't believe that Alabama is a top school in both M&W BB these days. SEC best in softball and baseball - big growth especially in softball (eyeballs on TV). Been watching a lot more ice hockey on TV over the years (at least that's a New England thing), and lacrosse is growing beyond traditional northeast/Atlantic coast footprint but still not quite fully rolled out in the country.
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Yeah, except there are a lot of national championship hockey banners adorning Magness Arena at the University of Denver. Ten of them, in fact, including last year's. Also, three NCAA runner-up banners. That's something for New Englanders to emulate.
 
With the last weekend in July behind us, I'm in a sour mood (so you know what's coming isn't good).

What is the point of this thread? To keep espousing the greatness of the BIG...a conference that does its absolute best to ignore us and make sure that UConn is permanently entrenched with the other non-P2 have nots? Should we also have a SEC Ramblings thread too, just so that we can have a P2 balanced exclusion of UConn? I'd probably prefer that so that we could breakdown the weekly SEC Shorts. I'm not necessarily picking on you @Rufus, but these postings don't connect positively in any way to UConn. You wanna feel good about your conference, okay, there are better venues than a UConn forum that has no connection to the BIG.
 
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KryHavok said:
Should we also have a SEC Ramblings thread too…?
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Marbles90 said:
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Ahhh, I stand (or rather sit) corrected, I need to spelunk more into the forums, not sure how I missed that golden gem and the ability to talk up Vandypimp from this past season.
 
Something I think the B1G is considering with their CFP proposal is that bowl games have become inconsequential and may actually become even more so with the expanded playoffs. Already, players opting out is hurting the bowls.

Conference championship games will become all but meaningless if the top two teams in each conference are already in.
 
Didn't want to take up valuable space in the key tweets thread but the B1G at 18 and SEC at 16. They are probably both trying to figure out which moves to make. B1G needs to continue to make football moves. FSU & Miami similar to UCLA & USC. Take the most valuable football programs and both are in Florida so you play a ton of games in Cal and Fla. SEC has more slots and may grab UNC but who else? I doubt SEC goes after UVA. UVA and the rest of the ACC will be available. The SEC could do the most damage by taking FSU & UNC. Either conference should grab FSU ASAP and then the house of cards ACC will crumble.
 
Kolumbo said:
Didn't want to take up valuable space in the key tweets thread but the B1G at 18 and SEC at 16. They are probably both trying to figure out which moves to make. B1G needs to continue to make football moves. FSU & Miami similar to UCLA & USC. Take the most valuable football programs and both are in Florida so you play a ton of games in Cal and Fla. SEC has more slots and may grab UNC but who else? I doubt SEC goes after UVA. UVA and the rest of the ACC will be available. The SEC could do the most damage by taking FSU & UNC. Either conference should grab FSU ASAP and then the house of cards ACC will crumble.
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-UVA very much fits the profile of a B1G school, but I don't see what they'd add to the B1G pie. The B1G already has access to the DC market via Maryland. If UVA goes B1G, there's a good chance VA Tech goes SEC, so it's not like you'd pick up the whole state. They aren't good in football, though they do have a recent national championship in men's basketball and are a very good academic school. However, UVA does provide value to the SEC. That league does not yet have access to the DC market. Also, If UVA goes SEC, the Big Ten will not take VA Tech, which would likely end up in the B12. That would probably increase UVA's dominance within the state of Virginia, which may make it prefer going SEC so they can entrench themselves as the clear top dog. However, elected officials in Virginia may try to get Virginia to go B1G, so that both of their main schools end up in a superconference (UVA-B1G, VA Tech-SEC) and rake in the dough.

-VA Tech would be a candidate for the SEC if UVA goes B1G. They would likely not be a candidate for B1G due to lack of AAU status, etc.

-UNC should be a no-brainer for the SEC. In a vacuum, it should be a no-brainer for the B1G too, but the complicating factor is which school they would take along with UNC. UVA is an obvious candidate, but as mentioned above, I don't think UVA grows the pie for the B1G.

-NC St would be a candidate for the SEC if UNC goes B1G, though NC St is not a fit for the Big Ten due to lack of AAU status, etc,. The same politics mentioned in the Virginia example may come into play in North Carolina: the Tar Heels going SEC would further cement their status as top dogs in the state, but it would also leave NC St out of a superconference, thus costing the state $$.

-Clemson is a better fit for the SEC than B1G (not a great academic school) but it wouldn't be shocking if the B1G took them to add another football power. Would the SEC want a second team within the state of South Carolina? It's probably not ideal, but Clemson is a brand with multiple recent national championships.

-Florida State is an obvious candidate for both SEC and B1G. The SEC would seem to be the more logical fit culturally, geographically, and academically. A second team in Florida doesn't seem crazy since the state is so big and continues to grow, but the Gainesville Gators may oppose FSU's potential addition. Just like Virginia and North Carolina situations described above, elected officials may get involved so the state doesn't lose out on $$ from having two teams in superconferences as opposed to just one.

-In summary, I think the only combinations that work for the B1G would be UNC+UVA, UVA+FSU, or FSU+Miami. If the SEC strikes first and adds UNC, UVA, Clemson, and FSU, then idk what the B1G would do. They may get stuck at 18, with no partner for Miami. Maybe we could get some consideration as team 20 if we go absolutely insane on the football field over the next few years and continue our basketball excellence.
 
pick6s said:
-UVA very much fits the profile of a B1G school, but I don't see what they'd add to the B1G pie. The B1G already has access to the DC market via Maryland. If UVA goes B1G, there's a good chance VA Tech goes SEC, so it's not like you'd pick up the whole state. They aren't good in football, though they do have a recent national championship in men's basketball and are a very good academic school. However, UVA does provide value to the SEC. That league does not yet have access to the DC market. Also, If UVA goes SEC, the Big Ten will not take VA Tech, which would likely end up in the B12. That would probably increase UVA's dominance within the state of Virginia, which may make it prefer going SEC so they can entrench themselves as the clear top dog. However, elected officials in Virginia may try to get Virginia to go B1G, so that both of their main schools end up in a superconference (UVA-B1G, VA Tech-SEC) and rake in the dough.

-VA Tech would be a candidate for the SEC if UVA goes B1G. They would likely not be a candidate for B1G due to lack of AAU status, etc.

-UNC should be a no-brainer for the SEC. In a vacuum, it should be a no-brainer for the B1G too, but the complicating factor is which school they would take along with UNC. UVA is an obvious candidate, but as mentioned above, I don't think UVA grows the pie for the B1G.

-NC St would be a candidate for the SEC if UNC goes B1G, though NC St is not a fit for the Big Ten due to lack of AAU status, etc,. The same politics mentioned in the Virginia example may come into play in North Carolina: the Tar Heels going SEC would further cement their status as top dogs in the state, but it would also leave NC St out of a superconference, thus costing the state $$.

-Clemson is a better fit for the SEC than B1G (not a great academic school) but it wouldn't be shocking if the B1G took them to add another football power. Would the SEC want a second team within the state of South Carolina? It's probably not ideal, but Clemson is a brand with multiple recent national championships.

-Florida State is an obvious candidate for both SEC and B1G. The SEC would seem to be the more logical fit culturally, geographically, and academically. A second team in Florida doesn't seem crazy since the state is so big and continues to grow, but the Gainesville Gators may oppose FSU's potential addition. Just like Virginia and North Carolina situations described above, elected officials may get involved so the state doesn't lose out on $$ from having two teams in superconferences as opposed to just one.

-In summary, I think the only combinations that work for the B1G would be UNC+UVA, UVA+FSU, or FSU+Miami. If the SEC strikes first and adds UNC, UVA, Clemson, and FSU, then idk what the B1G would do. They may get stuck at 18, with no partner for Miami. Maybe we could get some consideration as team 20 if we go absolutely insane on the football field over the next few years and continue our basketball excellence.
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All god points
The last 4 additions by the SEC

2012
Texas A&M
Mizzou

2024
Texas
Oklahoma

If SEC did take UVA for some reason and Va Tech ended up in the Big 12, I could see Va Tech competing and UVA getting pummeled year after year. There is a chance the UVA program could be elevated due to being in the SEC but I doubt it's competing with Alabama and Texas. UVA and UNC certainly make geographic and basketball sense, with WVU the sleeper pick. 😮
 
Kolumbo said:
All god points
The last 4 additions by the SEC

2012
Texas A&M
Mizzou

2024
Texas
Oklahoma

If SEC did take UVA for some reason and Va Tech ended up in the Big 12, I could see Va Tech competing and UVA getting pummeled year after year. There is a chance the UVA program could be elevated due to being in the SEC but I doubt it's competing with Alabama and Texas. UVA and UNC certainly make geographic and basketball sense, with WVU the sleeper pick. 😮
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If there's a sleeper for the SEC, I'd say it's Kansas as opposed to WVU.
 
I think its going to be UNC and UVA, I've always said it on this board, culturally both fit and are aligned with the SEC. SI did an article about it.

It just makes too much sense. I don't see Clemson, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as SEC teams.

I don't know how much bigger the B1G will get. 20 seems to be goal.

I think the SEC will take UNC and UVA and stay at 18.

The B1G grabs Clemson and FSU

The 12 grabs Miami, VT, GT and Louisville to get to 20.

I don't too much realignment will happen, it's only going to dilute payout for a conference like the SEC.

Whatever happens, UConn will be a part of the remnants of what's left of the ACC.
 
CTFAN4LIFE said:
If there's a sleeper for the SEC, I'd say it's Kansas as opposed to WVU.
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Neither of those teams will be in the SEC. Many people think WVU fits, but the SEC looks down at WVU in a pretentious sort of way.
 
B1GEast said:
Neither of those teams will be in the SEC. Many people think WVU fits, but the SEC looks down at WVU in a pretentious sort of way.
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Agreed on WVU and seems like the only way Kansas would get into the SEC is if they go to 22 or 24 teams one distant day (and maybe they'd still need a push by Texas and Arkansas to make it happen).
 
B1GEast said:
I think its going to be UNC and UVA, I've always said it on this board, culturally both fit and are aligned with the SEC. SI did an article about it.

It just makes too much sense. I don't see Clemson, FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech and Georgia Tech as SEC teams.

I don't know how much bigger the B1G will get. 20 seems to be goal.

I think the SEC will take UNC and UVA and stay at 18.

The B1G grabs Clemson and FSU

The 12 grabs Miami, VT, GT and Louisville to get to 20.

I don't too much realignment will happen, it's only going to dilute payout for a conference like the SEC.

Whatever happens, UConn will be a part of the remnants of what's left of the ACC.
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If the B1G stays at 20, Big 12 at 20, and SEC at 18, I'd be plenty happy with the remnants of the ACC. Especially with this format with Pitt, NCSU, and Duke left behind. Gets much uglier if the SEC wants 20 as well.
 
WrenchFan69 said:
If the B1G stays at 20, Big 12 at 20, and SEC at 18, I'd be plenty happy with the remnants of the ACC. Especially with this format with Pitt, NCSU, ofand Duke left behind. Gets much uglier if the SEC wants 20 as well.
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I think the conference we end up in will look something like this:

BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Memphis
Syracuse
UConn
Louisville
South Florida

VT - unknown
GT- unknown

It's possible that the B1G could get rid of Rutgers as many other ACC teams could easily replace them and they're not founding members.

Maybe add a couple here and there. It's not ideal and a worst case scenario, but if the ACC breaks apart there won't be much left.
 
B1GEast said:
I think the conference we end up in will look something like this:

BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Memphis
Syracuse
UConn
Louisville
South Florida

VT - unknown
GT- unknown

It's possible that the B1G could get rid of Rutgers as many other ACC teams could easily replace them and they're not founding members.

Maybe add a couple here and there. It's not ideal and a worst case scenario, but if the ACC breaks apart there won't be much left.
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I would be happy with that for football. Keep ND and add Nova, Georgetown, and St John's for non-football. Would be great
 
Rufus said:

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Lol let me translate that for you:

Maryland strong, academic, and athletic credentials

Rutgers uhhh they are near New York so they were an unfortunate necessary evil for us to make a money grab.
 
B1GEast said:
I think the conference we end up in will look something like this:

BC
Duke
Wake Forest
Memphis
Syracuse
UConn
Louisville
South Florida

VT - unknown
GT- unknown

It's possible that the B1G could get rid of Rutgers as many other ACC teams could easily replace them and they're not founding members.

Maybe add a couple here and there. It's not ideal and a worst case scenario, but if the ACC breaks apart there won't be much left.
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Big is not dumping Rutgers, that's wishful thinking.
 
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