I actually think they are one of the few trying to keep us out with FSU, VT, and Miami being the others. BC for regional marketing issues and the rest for football considerations.
btw If you really are a UConn fan I'm sorry I called you an idiot. I assumed you were a BC troll......
Why would VT be trying to keep us out? They were our co-plaintiff in the suit (and dropped it only when they got an invite).
I understand why the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, and why they did it when they did it. The loyalty argument sounds nice, but it just doesn't wash. It's fairly obvious based on the current scrambling being done that, had the ACC called UConn and said that Pitt and Syracuse are coming over that we would have jumped at the offer. I just don't understand this leap where the ACC didn't think they should do that for some reason, but it's still cool because they will obviously take us down the road. The ACC presidents didn't get together and vote on this and then suddenly remember afterwards that UConn exists.The ACC took Pitt and Syracuse first for 1 and maybe 2 reasons. First, they were the logical geographical adds for the B10. By adding them, they took them from the B10's reach. Now UCONN and Rutgers, which are geographically less appealing to the B10, are available for the ACC whenever they wish. If the ACC took UCONN and Rutty first, the B10 might have grabbed Pitt and SU before the ACC had a chance. Neither conference would add all four at once because they want ND, Texas or both and are saving room for them at this point.
Second, UCONN was loyal to the Big East and didn't ask the ACC for membership. Pitt and SU were opportunisitc and quietly asked for admittance. It was easy for the ACC and a brilliant move.
UCONN is not a small market, it is a med/semi-large market school. It generates big revenue and is a national brand.. It is also the best basketball school (men's and women's) in the country. It is strong academically and has the support of the state. The football program has steadily improved and has been heavily invested in including some of the very best facilities in the country. UCONN is not a lesser add than Pitt or Cuse in any sense. It is a less strategic add at this point. Again, brilliant work by the ACC, but not a knock on UCONN.
And with Beanpot-school hockey, quite frankly. During the winter time, BU and BC hockey, sometimes even Northeastern and Harvard, get as much play here as BC basketball. All of which receive less attention than UConn basketball did last year. This past year, there were game recaps on the Globe front page for practically every single game that wasn't against some schmuck like DePaul.UCONN is a bigger factor in Boston at this point. BC has trouble selling tickets to basketball games against Duke. BC doesn't dominate Boston. They share it with UCONN and ND.
I understand why the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, and why they did it when they did it. The loyalty argument sounds nice, but it just doesn't wash. It's fairly obvious based on the current scrambling being done that, had the ACC called UConn and said that Pitt and Syracuse are coming over that we would have jumped at the offer. I just don't understand this leap where the ACC didn't think they should do that for some reason, but it's still cool because they will obviously take us down the road. The ACC presidents didn't get together and vote on this and then suddenly remember afterwards that UConn exists.
The ACC doesn't cares about our academics and obviously we are making an effort to make them put a lot of weight into the national following for our men's basketball. But all of this nonsense is driven by football, where we just aren't very significant.
I was wondering how long it would take Chippy to show up.
I understand why the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, and why they did it when they did it. The loyalty argument sounds nice, but it just doesn't wash. It's fairly obvious based on the current scrambling being done that, had the ACC called UConn and said that Pitt and Syracuse are coming over that we would have jumped at the offer. I just don't understand this leap where the ACC didn't think they should do that for some reason, but it's still cool because they will obviously take us down the road. The ACC presidents didn't get together and vote on this and then suddenly remember afterwards that UConn exists.
The ACC doesn't cares about our academics and obviously we are making an effort to make them put a lot of weight into the national following for our men's basketball. But all of this nonsense is driven by football, where we just aren't very significant.
And Boston is a bigger market than Hartford.
You people are certifiable if you think uconn captures any kind of relevant tv market outside of cowtown storrs. Fairfield county, the area that matters because it's populated and has all the money (residents went to real colleges and make actual money) has a bigger Fairfield U following than uconn. People in fairfield county simply don't care about uconn. As for Boston, no freaking way. Providence College has a 10x bigger footprint than uconn in the bean. Get serious, outside of hartford, nobody cares.
This board is entertaining. I love reading about the strength of women's basketball as a determining factor in an acc invite.
The ACC isn't happening for you. Rumor is BC has more than enough votes to keep you out, and as long as their AD is in charge, your invite won't come. It's all about football, and your product brings nothing, it's pure economics.
You people are certifiable if you think uconn captures any kind of relevant tv market outside of cowtown storrs. Fairfield county, the area that matters because it's populated and has all the money (residents went to real colleges and make actual money) has a bigger Fairfield U following than uconn. People in fairfield county simply don't care about uconn. As for Boston, no freaking way. Providence College has a 10x bigger footprint than uconn in the bean. Get serious, outside of hartford, nobody cares.
This board is entertaining. I love reading about the strength of women's basketball as a determining factor in an acc invite.
The ACC isn't happening for you. Rumor is BC has more than enough votes to keep you out, and as long as their AD is in charge, your invite won't come. It's all about football, and your product brings nothing, it's pure economics.
And very nervous of getting exposed if UConn ends up in the ACC.You can only tell those of us who live or have lived in Fairfield County that nobody there cares about UCONN, it doesn't fool us. Yes, they like the Yankees, but UCONN is very well followed there. BC fans act as if nobody on this board lives in Fairfield County or grew up there. Morons. UCONN gets more ink in Greenwich than BC does in Chesnut Hill for God sake. I lived in Fairfield County for years and I lived in Brookline for years. BC hasn't been a name since they stopped playing UCONN. Nobody cares about BC at all. Its just beyond pathetic what has happened to BC. UCONN in the ACC is just about the only hope BC has of getting back on top. BC has no rivals and gets no national media coverage--NONE. You guys are a joke.
I understand why the ACC added Pitt and Syracuse, and why they did it when they did it. The loyalty argument sounds nice, but it just doesn't wash. It's fairly obvious based on the current scrambling being done that, had the ACC called UConn and said that Pitt and Syracuse are coming over that we would have jumped at the offer. I just don't understand this leap where the ACC didn't think they should do that for some reason, but it's still cool because they will obviously take us down the road. The ACC presidents didn't get together and vote on this and then suddenly remember afterwards that UConn exists.
The ACC doesn't cares about our academics and obviously we are making an effort to make them put a lot of weight into the national following for our men's basketball. But all of this nonsense is driven by football, where we just aren't very significant.
At least this is the first plausible explanation for the ACC approach to the deal. Still scratching my head about Cuse and Pitt. It must be they saw the contract and know it can be renegotiated under certain circumstances. Probably the hook Swofford used to reel in the schools to approach some easy marks.History will show that this was a really stupid business decision by the ACC, WVU, Syracuse and Pitt. The ACC's problem was and is the fact that it has the worst TV deal of any major, including the Big 12. The Big East's big advantage was that it's TV deal was about to expire, leaving it in the driver's seat in a seller's market for television rights. Then WVU started flirting with the SEC, and Pitt and Syracuse panicked, because they were the weakest and they were afraid of getting left behind.
Even if the ACC wanted to raid the Big East, the smart way to do it would be to merge into the Big East, dissolving the old, bad contract from the ACC. In this market, the combined league could have gotten a record deal and generated better than $20 million per team. That is a fantasy now for either membership. As far as I can tell, this whole process went down the way it did so that the ACC would be the surviving entity (as if that matters to the members) and Swofford would keep his job. It wouldn't be the first time a company made a deal that was really bad for the shareholders and good for the CEO.
History will show that this was a really stupid business decision by the ACC, WVU, Syracuse and Pitt. The Even if the ACC wanted to raid the Big East, the smart way to do it would be to merge into the Big East, dissolving the old, bad contract from the ACC. In this market, the combined league could have gotten a record deal and generated better than $20 million per team. That is a fantasy now for either membership. As far as I can tell, this whole process went down the way it did so that the ACC would be the surviving entity (as if that matters to the members) and Swofford would keep his job. It wouldn't be the first time a company made a deal that was really bad for the shareholders and good for the CEO.
This is an interesting perspective but I don't think the ACC has any interest in Cinci, USF, or even WVU really. That is why they had to do it this way in my opinion and they want ND and the number is 16.
Notre Dame is not joining the ACC and their lousy TV deal. If playing a couple of games against USF or Cincinnati is the price for ACC members to pay for a $20MM/year/school deal, it seems like a pretty good tradeoff, no?
The ACC just expanded their conference by adding two mediocre (I'm being charitable to Syracuse) football programs (albeit with some history of past success and decent-sized fanbases). Why does a seeming consensus of people on this board think it's logical for the ACC to add another mediocre football program, one with almost no following to speak of and one that plays in a nothing market? If the ACC wanted UConn, why wouldn't they have coordinated the addition of UConn at the same time they added Pitt and Syracuse? Are we supposed to believe the ACC doesn't have UConn's phone number? Did you people also believe the Patriots were going to move to Hartford?
Reading this board is like listening to Veronica explain why Archie inviting Betty to the prom is a sign that he's really in love with Veronica. It's embarassing.
The ACC only needed 4 more teams though. Unless they wanted to go to 20 in Football I'm just not seeing how that would work.