Why do people keep thinking it was Hathaway's decision about going to the ACC?
If the ACC wanted us they'd to the president. End of story.
Tell me why I am wrong.
Did we have a President at the time?
Why do people keep thinking it was Hathaway's decision about going to the ACC?
If the ACC wanted us they'd to the president. End of story.
Tell me why I am wrong.
" The academic standing of conferences"http://m.tallahassee.com/latest/article?a=2011110220319&f=1476
Emails outline why FSU president plans to keep Florida State in the ACC
By Ira Schoffel
Democrat sports editor
"In a lengthy response, Barron wrote that three primary factors would drive any FSU decisions regarding conference realignment: The academic standing of conferences, the potential for team success and the potential financial gains. "Academically, the ACC is far stronger than the SEC," Barron wrote to Bailey, while listing the rankings from U.S. News & World Report. "From an academic viewpoint, we are in a premier league academically and the SEC doesn't stack up."
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"The next two teams should not be weak northern teams like UConn or Rutgers," Voigt [an FSU graduate who emailed Barron] wrote. "That would dilute the football quality even further, and that will hurt FSU."
Barron did not specifically mention either school in his reply, but he explained that the options are limited. He noted that the members of the SEC and Big Ten --two of the closest conferences geographically --appear to be firmly entrenched.
"That means that in reality, the only path to a (16-team) super conference, were that to happen, is the Big East and the Big 12," Barron wrote. "And, the only way to have it be meaningful is if it opens up TV markets that net the conference money. Combined, these two factors mean that there are really very few universities out there that can even be considered."
How would one lock up the BE? Gazillion dollar exit fees?Whatever anyone may think of Hathaway, and I am not a fan myself, he is not an idiot. If he or anyone got approached by the ACC, warning bells would have been shrieking and either a) they would have accepted the offer or b) run to the Big East and locked it up. It is ridiculous to think that UConn would have simply brushed off an ACC invite and then done nothing.
Before this gets too out of hand, if such a conversation (ACC officials formally or informally discussing with UConn the possibility of an invitation only to have us sh n them) occurred, it would have been late spring of 2011 at the earliest (when the ACC began looking at a means to get their undermarket TV deal reworked). Hogan was gone for a year by then and while she hadn't officially begun her new position, Herbst had made it to Pasqualoni's introduction, the national title celebration at Gampel and the White House visit by then. With her contacts within the ACC, there is no way she would not have been in the loop if this occurred.
" The academic standing of conferences"
What a joke. FSU brings down any conference they join academicly. Great school if you want a career in the circus.
In five years a Gazillion dollars will be worth as much as a million.How would one lock up the BE? Gazillion dollar exit fees?
All the more reason to be concerned about academics.
Frankly, I tend to denigrate this idea for most schools. For Duke, for instance, it doesn't make any difference whatsoever what conference it's in. Vanderbilt isn't hurt by its associations. Florida St. however is about to go through a rough patch academically. They are probably very concerned about perceptions of them academically at this point.
How would one lock up the BE? Gazillion dollar exit fees?
True but at this point this would be like locking all remaining passengers below deck after the Titanic hit the iceberg (and some already departed on lifeboats).assignment of media rights
Yep, that ship sailed. This should have been done while Pitt/SU/TCU were still on board. Problem with Big East football side is that it has always been reactionary rather than proactive. Why weren't we having discussions about adding the Boise's, SMU, Houston's before the most recent defections? Is it because it would dilute the basketball product? Sad, because the Big East has provided great basketball moments and good football ones. The Big East commissioner's office and the Big East presidents failed in pushing the envelope and moving this conference from a good football conference and trying to make it great. Locking up the likes of Boise and TCU in some form of western division under the Big East banner with a forward thinking media rights assignment would have been a stroke of genius.True but at this point this would be like locking all remaining passengers below deck after the Titanic hit the iceberg (and some already departed on lifeboats).
Syracuse and WV did not have an allegiance to the BE. And that lack of commitment impacted the remaining six football schools in how they had to approach the conference. It prevented the conference from making more stringent exit requirements for instance.Yep, that ship sailed. This should have been done while Pitt/SU/TCU were still on board. Problem with Big East football side is that it has always been reactionary rather than proactive. Why weren't we having discussions about adding the Boise's, SMU, Houston's before the most recent defections? Is it because it would dilute the basketball product? Sad, because the Big East has provided great basketball moments and good football ones. The Big East commissioner's office and the Big East presidents failed in pushing the envelope and moving this conference from a good football conference and trying to make it great. Locking up the likes of Boise and TCU in some form of western division under the Big East banner with a forward thinking media rights assignment would have been a stroke of genius.
True but at this point this would be like locking all remaining passengers below deck after the Titanic hit the iceberg (and some already departed on lifeboats).
I think an argument can be made that standards within the school as well as marketing of the school improve the schools attractiveness to students and therefore can influence the improvement of academic standing. UConn has done and is doing a lot of things within the school structure to make it more attractive both in numbers of students wanting to apply and brighter students wanting to apply.
And UConns sports success has given a bump in the universities attractiveness which, it can be argued, offered the university a greater opportunity than otherwise might have occurred, to take internal steps. So a pitch can be made by a university about its association with a particular conference as part of its marketing to get students. And certainly there are students who would factor conference affiliation in their decision, as well as students who would not consider conference affiliation as an important factor in their decision. The same goes with alumni and getting donations. Perception is important even if the academics of Duke has zero correlation with the academics of FSU.
In the end it is the substantive actions taken by a university that really counts. Marketing can offer an initial attraction to the product by customers, but unless the product delivers, a negative reputation will develop and undo the effectiveness of the marketing.
It is ridiculous to think that UConn would have simply brushed off an ACC invite and then done nothing.
This just goes to show that the university presidents and ADs can see beyond the simple minded idiots who populate message boards.
good luck getting any current big east football member to agree to that. i dont even think usf would.assignment of media rights