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Cincinnati will be in the big 12 before UConn upgrades its conference.
Thanks Frank for the usual cold water splash of the reality check
If B1G has such high standards, why did they take RU? I already know what you are going to say. However, that pretty much throws the high-standard thing out of the window. At the end of the day, it is still about the almighty .
Frank - I get what you're saying but how do you address Delany's comments about the east coast from yesterday? Expansion is not dead and I think UConn is on the list. Only issue is partner.
Frank - I get what you're saying but how do you address Delany's comments about the east coast from yesterday? Expansion is not dead and I think UConn is on the list. Only issue is partner.
A few thoughts:
(1) I'd say that AAU is a de facto requirement for the Big Ten for any school other than Notre Dame, and if UConn is legitimately close to AAU membership (which is debatable - undergrad metrics aren't the same as the graduate school metrics), then you guys want that to continue to be the case. Otherwise, if the Big Ten throws the AAU requirement out the window, then that opens up schools like Oklahoma and Florida State to the Big Ten's consideration (who if you look at in terms of the graduate research dollars that the Big Ten cares about more than undergrad rankings, are actually very comparable to UConn), and that's just not going to be a favorable comparison for UConn no matter how one tries to spin it.
(2) The partner issue is as much of a problem as AAU status. The Big Ten rejected Missouri multiple times before and that's an AAU school contiguous to the Big Ten footprint with a large number of TV households. As I've said many times before, the Big Ten isn't going to expand for the sake of expanding, no matter how much fans want to believe that the Big Ten Network is driving everything. Missouri is a perfect addition for pure cable TV money purposes, integration with the rest of the conference and its AAU status, yet the Big Ten still passed them over. That should show you how high the standards are to get into the Big Ten - they'll absolutely wait rather than go to 16 for the sake of going to 16.
(3) Notre Dame is actually less likely to drop independence now than it did back when the Big East was getting poached by the ACC for Miami, BC and VT 10 years ago. Some posters above are correct: they have *everything* that they could possibly want. Plus, I deal with Domers everyday. For the most part, message board people like us greatly exaggerate the fan bases of other schools and what they're like. In the case of Notre Dame alums, they are actually *worse* than their national stereotypes. I could go on about this for quite awhile, but the devotion that their alums have to independence in and of itself is unlike anything in college sports... and the thing is that alums actually legitimately control Notre Dame (unlike other schools where administrators will stay above the fray). Whatever stereotype that you have in your head about Notre Dame alums, they're actually 100 times *worse* than what you think on the independence issue. There's no rationalization whatsoever on that issue with that group. Not making less money. Not losing the NBC contract. Nothing. The only possible thing is if Notre Dame structurally cannot win a national championship without being in a conference, which is the furthest thing from the truth right now since there aren't any conference championship requirements at all to make the playoff. Any conference expansion plan that includes Notre Dame, whether it's from the Big Ten, ACC, or Big 12, falls flat on its face.
(4) I'd still maintain that UConn's best shot to get into a power conference is the Big 12. That's the only league that (1) has a colorable argument to get bigger and (2) has a lot fewer requirements regarding academics and geography (see the WVU addition) compared to the other leagues. I'm not saying that it would be a perfect situation, but I'd certainly be lobbying that angle extremely hard if I were running UConn. The worst thing for UConn actually isn't the AAC as of today. Instead, it would be if the Big 12 expanded and took Cincinnati plus someone else (BYU or, God forbid, USF) and UConn was still stuck in an even further depleted AAC.
The big thing is that UConn's resume has to be flawless. If you're expecting the Big Ten to proactively expand with UConn and you have to try explaining away things like lack of AAU status, you're not going to get into the front door with a group of university presidents that aren't on the prowl for further realignment right now. Rutgers had more leeway because it was already AAU and directly in the NYC market, so unfortunately UConn has a higher threshold to meet.
If you look back at Delany's comments over the past 3 years, he's actually not that coy about his expansion comments. Look back at the quotes from him after the ACC added Notre Dame as a partial member last September - he all but declared that more expansion was coming if you actually paid attention to what he was saying (and it occurred fairly soon thereafter). I know you guys are clinging to all hope in every quote, but I'm just not seeing it. Like I've said, what Bob Bowlsby and Deloss Dodds are saying about the Big 12 is going to be much more relevant to UConn right now than what Jim Delany says.
Nebraska has a great football history, and was in the process of being ousted from the AAU prior to joining the B1G, so Oklahoma and Florida State are not absolutely out based on that. UConn is a different story in that respect.
Of course, what may not be so obvious from the outside about UConn and academics, is that the school is hiring hundreds of top faculty (poaching them really, which is easy to do now when states all over the country have salary freezes) in fields with research money flowing. Couple that with the state's $2 billion outlay to start public-private partnerships through UConn, and you can see the grad research end of it bumped up in short time. The only question is execution.
Can UConn buy itself an AAU-level research foundation in the current environment (when research dollars are being cut, yet the talent is clearly cheaper than ever before). I know for a fact that there are Deans in multiple AAU universities right now more than a little concerned that without automatic raises and without discretionary salary increase capability (for most schools with unions), they are fighting to retain faculty with both hands tied behind their backs. A school like UConn that is willing to spend big money (because of unconscionable rises in tuition) will find top faculty.
Okay, now I have a nightmare scenario.
The University of Toronto is an AAU school.
That would put me in a clock tower with a bazooka.
Read this in the Detroit News this morning
"A year ago, the Big Ten's athletic directors sat in meetings and said the conference was not looking to further expand just a year after Nebraska came onboard.However, months later, Rutgers and Maryland became the 13th and 14th members of the Big Ten and will begin play in 2014."
Maybe Delany is a little more coy than you give him credit for.
Burke Magnus is a lying . All CR has done is save ESPN millions... basically for the cost of adding a few schools to the ACC and stablizing Texas in the Big 12 they got all of the Big East's assets that just a little while ago they offered $1.17 billion for.
That may very well be the case and, regardless of conference realignment, AAU status is a big deal for a university in and of itself.
Now, the only thing is that the AAU expansion is sloooooooooooooow. In fact, it has been more in contraction mode over the past 5 years. That doesn't mean that UConn or any other school that is willing to make the investment can't push themselves into that conversation for AAU membership, but I think a lot of people here are making it sound a LOT easier than what it is in reality. Based on the AAU metrics that were used to kick Nebraska out, the only FBS school that was in striking distance of what Boston University had in terms of qualifications (the latest AAU addition) was Miami. (Dartmouth, who believe it or not, isn't an AAU member, is also high up there.) It's not just about hiring faculty, but the *right* faculty that bring in massive research dollars in medicine and engineering, in particular. If you think the Big Ten is snooty, then you'll be aghast at the AAU's procedures. It's incredibly exclusive and slow-changing, which is why existing AAU schools are disproportionately valuable. Georgia Tech didn't get AAU status until 2010 and that has been a legit engineering *powerhouse* for decades. So, there is no such thing as a fait accompli at all regarding AAU membership.
Burke Magnus from ESPN just said the other day that all realignment has done is cost ESPN more money, so if you thought that ESPN was subsidizing realignment before, it certainly isn't going to do so going forward.
See now that there is what they call strategery.If Connecticut wanted to force the issue with ESPN, they would undertake the repaving of rte. 229 or whatever road goes past ESPN.
And then once it is repaved and the traffic nightmares are over, repave it again.
And keep repaving it until the road surface is 25' thick or we're in a better conference.
If Connecticut wanted to force the issue with ESPN, they would undertake the repaving of rte. 229 or whatever road goes past ESPN.
And then once it is repaved and the traffic nightmares are over, repave it again.
And keep repaving it until the road surface is 25' thick or we're in a better conference.
if the Big Ten throws the AAU requirement out the window, then that opens up schools like Oklahoma and Florida State to the Big Ten's consideration (who if you look at in terms of the graduate research dollars that the Big Ten cares about more than undergrad rankings, are actually very comparable to UConn), and that's just not going to be a favorable comparison for UConn no matter how one tries to spin it.
UConn beats both schools on a metric that Delany has actually stated is a primary B1G goal: building on top of Rutgers, Maryland, and Penn State a strong presence on the populous, wealthy, influential, cable revenue producing East Coast.
Frank, you value past football reputation more than the B1G does. I'm sure if the B1G broke up they'd be very happy to take Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas; and if the ACC broke up they'd happily take UVa, UNC, Ga Tech, and FSU. But without those contiguous schools, FSU on an island is less attractive than UConn. If USF and UCF joined the B12, FSU in the B1G with no conference mate in a thousand miles could end up the #4 or #5 football program in Florida. (Florida #1; USF, UCF, and Miami are all in top 20 media markets, and USF and UCF are state schools; Tallahassee is in the #107 DMA and geographically remote from most of Florida, http://www.mediaservicesgroup.com/articles/TV DMA RANKING LIST.pdf). FSU's stature can only go down. Whereas UConn's value and football competitiveness rise dramatically as soon as we are in the B1G, and we immediately become the clearcut top football program in the New York-New England region with 35 million people. That's better than being #2 - #5 in a state of 19 million. Nor would FSU be happy in the B1G, they'd always be looking to the SEC or ACC as an alternative.