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When was the last time someone put up a stat line like 14 points, 14 rebounds and 8 (9?) blocks in an NCAA Tournament game?
Shortly before Clingan's 10th block of the game?

Side note: another uncommon triple double I'd like to see would be Tristen Newton, with 10 fouls drawn in a single game to complement points and either assists or rebounds. Actually, a quadruple double would be even better.
 
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In the West, the Nuggets were the worst team to win a title since Olajuwon's first title in Houston, but Denver has a center. The Timberwolves are one of the best teams in the west with basically three guys that can play, an old point guard with a lot of miles on his body, and a couple of OK bench players, plus a bad coach. But they have two centers.

Bigger is better in a lot of things, including basketball.
Every team has Centers. Denver doesn't have a Center, they have the best player in the world who happens to be their Center. He plays from anywhere on the floor, and often times that's the perimeter. He has to be guarded out to 27 feet, which makes his passing vision that much more deadly. If he wasn't a threat from deep, he couldn't make the passes he does. Simple math, more open space, more places to cut to.

As for the Wolves/Goebert, every season, the team that is opposing Goebert plays a quick, skilled 5 (who is often more of a 4 than a 5). They lure Goebert out to the perimeter, and he is blown by constantly until he is relegated to the bench for the rest of the series. It's not a mistake that his teams have had little playoff success despite multiple all stars/all NBA players. Towns, you can classify as a "center" if you want, but all he does is shoot 3's and play poor defense.

Small is a misnomer here. The idea is to have 5 skilled (shoot/pass/dribble) players on the floor at a time. It used to be that you could only have a max of 4 because no centers could dribble or shoot, but that has changed.
Wemby, Chet, Porzingis, Jokic, etc... all play this way. Perimeter bigs open up the floor for other players to get shots closer to the basket that would have been much more difficult if there was a Center standing in the restricted area all the time.

Our very own University of Connecticut Huskies played "small" this season, and every coach lamented how impossible it was to defend 5 skilled players on the floor at the same time. If you'd like, i can present you with the video evidence.

But you know all this. We've all had this conversation before. Last time, i asked you to find a single reputable person who says its better to be smaller in the NBA. You are welcomed to use the entire internet....i'll wait. Last time, you abandoned the thread because asking you to show your work dismantles your strawman.
 

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If only an NBA team had access to your unique wisdom.
We're lucky to have him here. When he exhausts his eligibility, we'll be split between missing him and saying, "I was there when he was doing it at UConn." Savor these moments in time.
 
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Heres a question... how much better is Edey than Thabeet? Offensively he's better. Probably a lot better. Does he get up and down the floor better?... maybe a bit. But Thabeet was a better shot blocker. Maybe a lot better. Which may indicate lesser lateral quickness.
Edey's work ethic is so much better than Thabeet's and his offensive game is considerably better. Thabeet was one of the worst uses of a draft pick in NBA history. I doubt there has ever been a less impactful 2nd overall pick in NBA history, outside of Len Bias who never played an NBA game. Even guys labeled as a "bust" had much better NBA careers than Thabeet. Comparing Edey to Thabeet is just silly, even though Edey isn't projected as a lottery pick he will almost certainly have a much better NBA career than Thabeet.
 
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Oh, he'll definitely be on a roster. Every team has 15, so maybe 4 at the end of the bench for development. Whoever takes him will hope that they can teach him to shoot, and increase his footspeed. Someone was going to occupy those roster spots....why not him ?
He'll have 3-4 years to make himself useful, just like every rookie.
Should have clarified, my point on whether someone would burn a roster spot is long-term focused. Totally agree he’ll get a spot for at least a few years.
 

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Every team has Centers. Denver doesn't have a Center, they have the best player in the world who happens to be their Center. He plays from anywhere on the floor, and often times that's the perimeter. He has to be guarded out to 27 feet, which makes his passing vision that much more deadly. If he wasn't a threat from deep, he couldn't make the passes he does. Simple math, more open space, more places to cut to.

As for the Wolves/Goebert, every season, the team that is opposing Goebert plays a quick, skilled 5 (who is often more of a 4 than a 5). They lure Goebert out to the perimeter, and he is blown by constantly until he is relegated to the bench for the rest of the series. It's not a mistake that his teams have had little playoff success despite multiple all stars/all NBA players. Towns, you can classify as a "center" if you want, but all he does is shoot 3's and play poor defense.

Small is a misnomer here. The idea is to have 5 skilled (shoot/pass/dribble) players on the floor at a time. It used to be that you could only have a max of 4 because no centers could dribble or shoot, but that has changed.
Wemby, Chet, Porzingis, Jokic, etc... all play this way. Perimeter bigs open up the floor for other players to get shots closer to the basket that would have been much more difficult if there was a Center standing in the restricted area all the time.

Our very own University of Connecticut Huskies played "small" this season, and every coach lamented how impossible it was to defend 5 skilled players on the floor at the same time. If you'd like, i can present you with the video evidence.

But you know all this. We've all had this conversation before. Last time, i asked you to find a single reputable person who says its better to be smaller in the NBA. You are welcomed to use the entire internet....i'll wait. Last time, you abandoned the thread because asking you to show your work dismantles your strawman.

Obviously more skilled players are better than less skilled players, but thank you for that insight. When the two options are an imperfect center or a mediocre wing for the 4th or 5th player on the court, why would anyone want more wing?

You don't need 5 players doing exactly the same thing in basketball. The 5th best 3 point shooter on the court should be taking fewer 3's. Also, crowding the 3 point line makes it easier to defend a team, because the defenders can always rotate with the ball. On the other hand, there is no way to rotate to a player in the post. By the time he gets the ball, it is too late to rotate, so the defender has to stay right on him. This creates all kinds of options for the other 4 players, and will result in better 3 attempts for the better shooters.
 
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Another consideration is that Don's wing span looks much longer than Zach - they're just different athletes. Height doesn't tell the entire tale. Take for instance, Houston. They are one of the smallest teams in American, yet get their hands on more balls than anyone. A lot of that has to do with their wingspan, not their height. I honestly don't see a lot of comparisons between Edey & Clingan. Totally different players, different body types, different athletes.
 
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Obviously more skilled players are better than less skilled players, but thank you for that insight. When the two options are an imperfect center or a mediocre wing for the 4th or 5th player on the court, why would anyone want more wing?

You don't need 5 players doing exactly the same thing in basketball. The 5th best 3 point shooter on the court should be taking fewer 3's. Also, crowding the 3 point line makes it easier to defend a team, because the defenders can always rotate with the ball. On the other hand, there is no way to rotate to a player in the post. By the time he gets the ball, it is too late to rotate, so the defender has to stay right on him. This creates all kinds of options for the other 4 players, and will result in better 3 attempts for the better shooters.
You need a podcast. We could start a campaign to get Luke Murray on as a guest to discuss offensive theory.
 
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That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.
This is hilariously stupid.
 
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Also, crowding the 3 point line makes it easier to defend a team, because the defenders can always rotate with the ball. On the other hand, there is no way to rotate to a player in the post. By the time he gets the ball, it is too late to rotate, so the defender has to stay right on him. This creates all kinds of options for the other 4 players, and will result in better 3 attempts for the better shooters.
This is the entire point. If everyone can play on the perimeter, then the post is more open. You don't need a 7 footer in that scenario because a wing/guard can beat his man and have an open shot at the basket. It's why a WR always has a bit of an advantage over a DB, because 1 of them knows where he's going, and the other one has to react. A 5-out offense makes it so that ANYONE can score in the post, not just the Center....although on the occasion that they want to, the C certainly can as well.

At issue is whether or not teams use it that way. The good teams do lot's of cutting to the basket. (our very own UConn Huskies for example) They use the 3 to open up the floor. That is a product of good scheming. The lousy teams take 3's because they can't figure out anything better to do because they aren't well coached. That's an entirely different conversation.
 
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This is hilariously stupid.
If you’re a fan of today’s NBA version of basketball, good for you. Enjoy.

I much prefer a balanced inside/outside game, and it being reffed according to the rules in the book.

Seriously, “hilariously stupid”? That’s your fact based counterpoint argument? Right. LOL:cool:
 

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This is the entire point. If everyone can play on the perimeter, then the post is more open. You don't need a 7 footer in that scenario because a wing/guard can beat his man and have an open shot at the basket. It's why a WR always has a bit of an advantage over a DB, because 1 of them knows where he's going, and the other one has to react. A 5-out offense makes it so that ANYONE can score in the post, not just the Center....although on the occasion that they want to, the C certainly can as well.

At issue is whether or not teams use it that way. The good teams do lot's of cutting to the basket. (our very own UConn Huskies for example) They use the 3 to open up the floor. That is a product of good scheming. The lousy teams take 3's because they can't figure out anything better to do because they aren't well coached. That's an entirely different conversation.

A WR operates in a lot more open space than a cutter, so that is a bad comparison.

Do you realize the other team is playing defense? You get that they are also trying to win, right? A 5 out is an exceptionally easy defense to defend, and the timing has to be perfect for it to work against defenses that don't suck. Or your team just has to be a lot better than your opponent, but I will let you in on a secret: All the offenses work when you are a lot better than your opponent.

Penetrating from 30 feet out on the wing is exceptionally difficult, as I have already covered about 3 times in this thread. It results in low probability, contested shots, because the help defense will always get there unless the other team is terrible or not trying.
 
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Penetrating from 30 feet out on the wing is exceptionally difficult, as I have already covered about 3 times in this thread. It results in low probability, contested shots, because the help defense will always get there unless the other team is terrible or not trying.
Wrong again. Penetrating from 30 is easy when you only have 1 man to beat between you and the basket. It's difficult when there's there's big guy in there to contest your shot.
The help defense can't help when the other 4 guys are threats from the perimeter. This is the whole point.
 
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If he doesn't develop at least a mid range shot he will be useless in the NBA.
 
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If he doesn't develop at least a mid range shot he will be useless in the NBA.
I actually think it's more important for him to increase his lateral quickness (shout-out Rick Pitino). He will get roasted in the pick and roll otherwise.
 

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Clingan is considerably more mobile than Edey. A healthy Donovan Clingan is quite a basketball player. When was the last time someone put up a stat line like 14 points, 14 rebounds and 8 (9?) blocks in an NCAA Tournament game?
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If you’re a fan of today’s NBA version of basketball, good for you. Enjoy.

I much prefer a balanced inside/outside game, and it being reffed according to the rules in the book.

Seriously, “hilariously stupid”? That’s your fact based counterpoint argument? Right. LOL:cool:

I suspect that if Shaq were in college today he'd have a pretty bright NBA future.
 
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That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.
lol @ winning being a distant second when all of the discussion regarding the NBA is "rings", and then you say the NBA suffers from selling the "Michael Jordan superstar" image when Jordan was one of the ultimate winners in the league. Not sure I've read a post more disconnected from NBA reality, sounds like a parody of a gray haired WFAN caller.
 
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I actually think it's more important for him to increase his lateral quickness (shout-out Rick Pitino). He will get roasted in the pick and roll otherwise.
He is in phenomenal shape. It looks like he has already spent the last couple of years trying to get quicker and leaner. I'm not sure how much more he can do.
 

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Edey suffers from lack of lateral quickness, which is an absolute requirement/must at every position in the NBA, even centers. You cannot be slow footed and expect to make an NBA roster.
 
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Yeah, the NBA needs more generic 6'6 wings jacking 3's at 33% (when they can get a shot off at all) than a 7'4 guy that will shoot 65% from the field and get to the line every third time he gets the ball. That is why so many of the current NBA GMs will be out of work in 5 years.
They don't leave the league, they just rotate to other teams.
 
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Why UConn football should join the MAC - NewsBreak
According to 1 NBA scout, he feels that Purdue big man Zach Edney's talent may not translate to the NBA game. Yes, he's 7-4, yes he moves well, however can he move fast enough to cover big men like KD, Yannis, and other 5s? Not sure. Why am I mentioning this? Maybe because DC might be in the same situation. DC does move a little bit better, he has shown an outside shot, although he would definitely have to improve it. Remember that the NBA has a defensive 3 seconds technical foul rile, which precludes big men camping in the paint on D. This means that bigs have to move around the lane, and out to the paint. Just food for thought.
Me sees Thabeetitus
 

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Anyone who seriously compared Clingan and Edey's athleticism clearly hasn't bothered to watch them play. Donovan isn't a "little bit better," he's in the stratosphere athletically compared to Edey. Just a stupid, stupid take.

It's the very reason why Clingan -- despite his stats being dwarfed by Edey's -- is projected to go much higher!
 

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That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.

Teams play the way to do to win, not for marketing purposes. "Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product" is an absolutely ridiculous statement. What kind of front office values marketing over winning? One filled with people who don't care about keeping their jobs, and I'm not sure anyone fits that category.

Btw, UConn PLAYS NBA BASKETBALL. All shots in the paint and 3s -- no midrange shots.

Shaq would do fine, and be highly valued, in today's NBA. Just like the Admiral and Hakeem. Those guys were studs. Robinson and Olajuwon would be shooting 3s and Shaq wouldn't, but they'd all be All-NBA.

The way the games are reffed is a small component. It's the talent. Big guys can handle the rock and shoot from deep. Why wouldn't you want them doing that if they can????????????

I just really couldn't disagree more with your take. Just seems like you don't like the modern NBA so you're yelling at clouds.
 
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That the NBA doesn’t value Edey is an indictment of the present-day NBA and its decision to roll out a product that long ago decided to sell the “Michael Jordan superstar” marketing image to its audience.

Winning, and competition, are a distant second to packaging when it comes to the NBA product. Edey doesn’t fit the package. The NBA rules as reffed don’t support a player of his talent in the way that college basketball does.

College basketball and the NBA are two different sports. College basketball is all about winning. The NBA is about selling a product first and foremost.

Shaq’s style of play, bullyball, would’ve resulted in him being undervalued in the NBA draft in current times. That is a reflection of the NBA being only a step above professional wrestling. Sad when compared to how the NBA looked and operated before Michael Jordan retired.

Tell me you don't watch the NBA without telling me you don't watch the NBA.
 

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