Last Dance

[Chin Diesel]

Starts tonight on ESPN. Parts 1 and 2. Not sure why they are waiting to 9 PM EDT but whatever.

Looking forward to it. Really looking forward to seeing how basketball was played 20-25 years ago compared to now.

 

[XLCenterFan]

The NBA is garbage now compared to then. No one plays defense and games end 150-140.

 

[storrsroars]

The NBA is garbage now compared to then. No one plays defense and games end 150-140.

Someone didn't watch Denver Nuggets games in the 80s.

 

[XLCenterFan]

Someone didn't watch Denver Nuggets games in the 80s.

Or Golden State when they had Mullen/Hardaway/Mitch.

You can't point to the outliers and say that's what the NBA was like back then. Nice try though.

 

[imno1]

Or Golden State when they had Mullen/Hardaway/Mitch.

You can't point to the outliers and say that's what the NBA was like back then. Nice try though.

Or you can use hyperbole to state your point when the average NBA team scores 111 per game

 

[OldBosd]

Starts tonight on ESPN. Parts 1 and 2. Not sure why they are waiting to 9 PM EDT but whatever.

Looking forward to it. Really looking forward to seeing how basketball was played 20-25 years ago compared to now.

I've been watching some old Bird games. I keep yelling at open players to take a couple step back and take a 3. It is so bizarre they don't realize that tiny decrease in shooting % is more than made up by 50% more points and longer rebounds.

The D just sags off allowing open 18 foot jump shots with a closeout.

Bird should be taking a dozen 3's a game. easy

 

[Chin Diesel]

Just a reminder on the scoring thing. This whole thing ends with Game 6 in Utah. 87-86 final. MJ goes for 45.

1998 NBA Finals Game 6: Bulls vs Jazz, June 14, 1998 | Basketball-Reference.com

CHI (87) vs UTA (86). Get the box score, shot charts and play by play summary of the Bulls vs Jazz Game 6, June 14, 1998.

www.basketball-reference.com

 

[Bazz4A]

The NBA is garbage now compared to then. No one plays defense and games end 150-140.

The defensive schemes back then we’re so rudimentary. The skill, strategy, and quality of the NBA is improved in every way in comparison to back then. Why would the NBA be the only league that hasn’t gotten better over the years?

 

[MilliniumPrince]

People's memories of the past are often warped. They scored more in the 80s than they do now. I remember the Laker and Celtica scoring 120+ points against each other in the Finals. The Pistons beat Denver 186 - 184 in 1983. Isiah almost went for 50 pts and 20 assists.

The late 90s - early 2000s was some of the worst basketball in history. The overall level of athleticism is much higher now, but the game was grittier then.

 

[Son of Robert]

Stockton and Jeff Hornacek, Karl Malone

I missed Bryon Russell

 

[UofCT]

The NBA is garbage now compared to then. No one plays defense and games end 150-140.

why is high scoring a garbage product?

 

[XLCenterFan]

why is high scoring a garbage product?

I guess it's subjective. I like basketball that gets played on both ends of the court...offense AND defense. I just feel like the NBA regular season has minimal defense. The playoffs are MUCH better, and that's usually when I start watching. Basketball at the college level is just so much better.

 

[superjohn]

Or Golden State when they had Mullen/Hardaway/Mitch.

You can't point to the outliers and say that's what the NBA was like back then. Nice try though.

A lot of people thought those 81-75 Knicks v. Heat and Knicks v. Pacers rock fights were brutal to watch.

 

[XLCenterFan]

A lot of people thought those 81-75 Knicks v. Heat and Knicks v. Pacers rock fights were brutal to watch.

I'm used to Uconn/Cinci...I love me a rock fight.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I've been watching some old Bird games. I keep yelling at open players to take a couple step back and take a 3. It is so bizarre they don't realize that tiny decrease in shooting % is more than made up by 50% more points and longer rebounds.

The D just sags off allowing open 18 foot jump shots with a closeout.

Bird should be taking a dozen 3's a game. easy

The other weird thing was how the Ayers enforced the lane. And not just scrub end of bench players. Hall of Famers like McHale thought nothing of a clothes line to someone's neck. That 3 part Lakers Celtic documentary was great.

 

[imno1]

A lot of people thought those 81-75 Knicks v. Heat and Knicks v. Pacers rock fights were brutal to watch.

Yeah but not as bad as watching the Knicks of late. I usually like most games my team wins (see UConn/Butler)

 

[OldBosd]

People's memories of the past are often warped. They scored more in the 80s than they do now. I remember the Laker and Celtica scoring 120+ points against each other in the Finals. The Pistons beat Denver 186 - 184 in 1983. Isiah almost went for 50 pts and 20 assists.

The late 90s - early 2000s was some of the worst basketball in history. The overall level of athleticism is much higher now, but the game was grittier then.

I think the NBA is better now than ever. I like how Zion, Yannis, Tatum and Luka are all emerging as superstars but with different games.

I am hoping that Brown can make a similar leap that Tatum made this year and become the top 1-2 combo in the league. Both are great two way players.

 

[geordi]

I think the NBA is better now than ever. I like how Zion, Yannis, Tatum and Luka are all emerging as superstars but with different games.

I am hoping that Brown can make a similar leap that Tatum made this year and become the top 1-2 combo in the league. Both are great two way players.

That's interesting! I think the NBA is unwatchable. Nothing but isolation, clear outs, one on ones, and no defense. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

 

[CTbball990411]

Scotty plays a big role in this: Key characters you might not be familiar with in 'The Last Dance'

 

[OldBosd]

That's interesting! I think the NBA is unwatchable. Nothing but isolation, clear outs, one on ones, and no defense. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

The Celtics play great defense. Marcus Smart is amazing.

When everyone realized the 3 point shot was 50% more valuable for a small decrease in shooting %, it changed the spacing. You have to guard people much further from the basket and cover more ground.

The game is just tougher now.

 

[UCSouth]

I guess it's subjective. I like basketball that gets played on both ends of the court...offense AND defense. I just feel like the NBA regular season has minimal defense. The playoffs are MUCH better, and that's usually when I start watching. Basketball at the college level is just so much better.

Sounds like you want your team to win 120-65 every game.

 

[XLCenterFan]

Sounds like you want your team to win 120-65 every game.

Fake news.

 

[UCSouth]

Fake news.

Idiot

 

[BigErnMcCracken]

That's interesting! I think the NBA is unwatchable. Nothing but isolation, clear outs, one on ones, and no defense. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.

There might have been a point in time when this was an accurate summary of the NBA but it hasn’t been in quite a few years. You might be surprised.

 

[White Dwarf]