G5 Plus or "G27"

[Kolumbo]

I wish every program outside the P5 would stand up for themselves rather than serve as the P5 b*tches. In basketball, there are what almost 300 teams outside the P5. "Hey NCAA. You can have the P5. We are breaking away from you. Your new March Madness will simply be all of your 64 P5 schools in a second version of the P5 conference tournaments. Have fun with that."
Now obviously the G27 tournament won't have the same talent, but it will have the cinderella's everyone likes to root for, and those cinderella's will actually have a chance of winning the tournament. I am sick of the BS that is CR which exists simply so the networks can get richer and the P5 programs can eliminate competition. Do something already to end the hypocrisy.

 

[mets1090]

No one cares about Cinderellas when they're playing other Cinderellas.

 

[gioff23]

Safe to assume we are in complete favor of such a proposal right up until we become part of the G5, and then we say bring on the b*itches?

 

[Kolumbo]

No one cares about Cinderellas when they're playing other Cinderellas.

Good point. Which would result in two tournaments which are both by far less interesting than the current tournament. Which is the point of this post.

 

[mets1090]

Good point. Which would result in two tournaments which are both by far less interesting than the current tournament. Which is the point of this post.

All that would happen is people would care even less about the other conferences.

Maybe the P5 tournament drives less revenue without Cinderellas but they also wouldn't be sharing that money with anyone but P5 schools. They only care about it being interesting because it drives revenue. About a quarter of the units go to non P5 schools so the revenue could drop by the same amount and they probably wouldn't care from a money standpoint.

 

[Kolumbo]

All that would happen is people would care even less about the other conferences.

Maybe the P5 tournament drives less revenue without Cinderellas but they also wouldn't be sharing that money with anyone but P5 schools. They only care about it being interesting because it drives revenue. About a quarter of the units go to non P5 schools so the revenue could drop by the same amount and they probably wouldn't care from a money standpoint.

The P5 probably wouldn't care. I would hope the NCAA, the other 300 programs, the fans, the athletes, the general population, any interested party would care enough that the madness would end. Or maybe they don't care. We can all be enablers because why shouldn't those 64 colleges hoard the profits to themselves.

 

[1999.2004.2011]

The P5 probably wouldn't care. I would hope the NCAA, the other 300 programs, the fans, the athletes, the general population, any interested party would care enough that the madness would end. Or maybe they don't care. We can all be enablers because why shouldn't those 64 colleges hoard the profits to themselves.

I think the NCAA tournament would disappear, and the large majority of people who don't watch college basketball really wouldn't care either. Just need more NFL coverage to cover the month of March!

 

[captainron2]

A strictly P5 tourny would eliminate huge swaths of the country from interest in it and lack of eyeballs equals lower money. It isn't going to happen.

 

[billybud]

Who really cares about the NIT? It falls back quite a ways from the dance.

Once you make a secondary tournament, it could become the basketball version of the FCS football playoffs...with Chattanooga playing New Hampshire in the Quarterfinal (2014 example) and few following nationally.

What folks want to see out of the G5's is Wichita State taking down Kansas.....the triumph of the David's. Nova beating Duke, etc.

There is a great story line there....Nobody expects a G5 program not named UConn to be in the Final Four, so the interest is there when it is a possibility.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

In 2015, there was 1 non P5 team to make it to the Great 8 (Gonzaga), in 2014 there were 2 (UConn and Dayton), in 2013 there were 2 (Marquette & Wichita St), in 2012 there were 0, in 2011 there were 3 (UConn, Butler & VCU), in 2010 there was 1 (Butler). So, out of 40 available Great 8 slots in the NCAA men's D1 basketball tournament, 31 went to a P5 member and 9 went to a non-P5 member.

Overall, there are about 350 D1 basketball programs in the NCAA. Of those, 66 are currently in a P5 conference.

So, those 66 P5 members claimed 77.5% of the Great 8 slot whereas the 284 non-P5 teams claims 22.5% of the Great 8 slots. Do the math. The P5 controls both football and basketball, though the nonP5 at least has a chance at collecting trophies in basketball.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

In 2015, there was 1 non P5 team to make it to the Great 8 (Gonzaga), in 2014 there were 2 (UConn and Dayton), in 2013 there were 2 (Marquette & Wichita St), in 2012 there were 0, in 2011 there were 3 (UConn, Butler & VCU), in 2010 there was 1 (Butler). So, out of 40 available Great 8 slots in the NCAA men's D1 basketball tournament, 31 went to a P5 member and 9 went to a non-P5 member.

Overall, there are about 350 D1 basketball programs in the NCAA. Of those, 66 are currently in a P5 conference.

So, those 66 P5 members claimed 77.5% of the Great 8 slot whereas the 284 non-P5 teams claims 22.5% of the Great 8 slots. Do the math. The P5 controls both football and basketball, though the nonP5 at least has a chance at collecting trophies in basketball.

While it neither alters your point nor materially alters the math, there is no way in hell anyone can view the 2010-2011 Big East men's basketball conference as anything but a power conference (as a conference we got 11 bids).

 

[Kolumbo]

While it neither alters your point nor materially alters the math, there is no way in hell anyone can view the 2010-2011 Big East men's basketball conference as anything but a power conference (as a conference we got 11 bids).

I would add that this CR BS is in no way forcing me to consider UCONN mid-major or a non-P5 school. Not with 4 banners it aint.
Let's assume the P5 continue to separate themselves at least on the football side. That will affect the basketball side and those percentages will likely get more lop-sided. Which is why the outsiders should make a move.

 

[AZHuskiePop]

The basketball tourney is the only thing keeping the P5 from breaking away completly

Theyh actually get the most benifit while still having he appearance of an open championship.
A split would be devastating to college BB
Simallar to what happened to open wheel racing

 

[storrsroars]

We need to get ahead of the curve and add a women's curling team. With skin-tight unis. That will get viewers and revenue.

 

[Fishy]

The basketball tourney is the only thing keeping the P5 from breaking away completly

Theyh actually get the most benifit while still having he appearance of an open championship.
A split would be devastating to college BB
Simallar to what happened to open wheel racing

That is exactly what I was thinking.

That's the standard for killing a golden goose.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

While it neither alters your point nor materially alters the math, there is no way in hell anyone can view the 2010-2011 Big East men's basketball conference as anything but a power conference (as a conference we got 11 bids).

No argument there. The old Big E was a power; but, even within that conference, the power was with those teams that had both D1 basketball and football programs - UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, ND. UConn for a range of reasons is the one school that offered both that was boxed out from the P5, same as, to a lesser degree, Cincinnati and USF.

 

[Ldandy]

I would add that this CR BS is in no way forcing me to consider UCONN mid-major or a non-P5 school. Not with 4 banners it aint.
Let's assume the P5 continue to separate themselves at least on the football side. That will affect the basketball side and those percentages will likely get more lop-sided. Which is why the outsiders should make a move.

That would be the worst thing those schools could ever do. Breaking away would destroy the NCAA Tournament as we know it, as well as decimate a multitude of non revenue sports. The P5 Schools would have nothing holding them back from forming their own association and keeping 100% of the revenue generated from both its football and basketball tournaments.

The schools that broke away would be minimized further to the point that football would likely merge with the FCS for its playoffs, and basketball would be relegated to a second tier tournament broadcast on FSI and ESPNU. The status quo might feel pretty bad for some of the schools currently left behind, but the alternative would be like The XFL trying to go head to head against The NFL. It would be brutal.

 

[Kolumbo]

That would be the worst thing those schools could ever do. Breaking away would destroy the NCAA Tournament as we know it, as well as decimate a multitude of non revenue sports. The P5 Schools would have nothing holding them back from forming their own association and keeping 100% of the revenue generated from both its football and basketball tournaments.

The schools that broke away would be minimized further to the point that football would likely merge with the FCS for its playoffs, and basketball would be relegated to a second tier tournament broadcast on FSI and ESPNU. The status quo might feel pretty bad for some of the schools currently left behind, but the alternative would be like The XFL trying to go head to head against The NFL. It would be brutal.

Of course it would be the worst thing those schools could ever do. That is exactly why they should do it. The threat of 290 programs leaving would be enough to force changes in the right direction.

 

[Ldandy]

Of course it would be the worst thing those schools could ever do. That is exactly why they should do it. The threat of 290 programs leaving would be enough to force changes in the right direction.

I'm not sure I follow you. If its the worst thing they could do, why would they do it? What is the direction that the G5 could hope to achieve? The P5 could just as easily call their bluff and tell them to take a walk.

 

[pj]

He's saying the G5 should threaten to blow off their own heads because that would splatter blood and gore all over the P5, and they don't want that -- so they'd negotiate something better for the G5.

It's the Blazing Saddles strategy:

 

[Kolumbo]

Right. I don't think anyone involved is willing to let March Madness go the way of the dinosaur so they won't let the break happen. The P5 are maximizing their football money at the expense of the outsiders while keeping their share of basketball. Why let them manipulate the system like that? To me it doesn't make sense. Just a pipe dream really,