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West Virginia to the ACC is a geographical fit, BUT, what do they bring to the table to significantly move the needle? If streaming is the future, their appeal to the streaming services is marginal when compared to other choices.

Any time you can get the 40th most populated state which also lost more people than any other state over the past decade and is located over an hour away from the nearest TV market and is a school with average at best academics.........you go for it.
 
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WVU is rather popular nationally for some reason. They have decent tv ratings and strong merchandise sales. There are a lot of factors at play. I would think the ACC could see value in WVU and Cincy. Both are good programs that have history with Pitt, BC, Syracuse and each other. Cincy also gets you into Ohio for recruiting.
 
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WVU is rather popular nationally for some reason. They have decent tv ratings and strong merchandise sales. There are a lot of factors at play. I would think the ACC could see value in WVU and Cincy. Both are good programs that have history with Pitt, BC, Syracuse and each other. Cincy also gets you into Ohio for recruiting.
I do not think the ACC sees value in Cincinnati, though I agree they would see potential value in WVU.
 

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I do not think the ACC sees value in Cincinnati, though I agree they would see potential value in WVU.

I can't imagine that Cincinnati would be preferred over UConn. WVU, yeah, I could see that.

What's the thinking on the yard? If an ACC invite comes so soon after we joined the Big East, do we take it? I think so.
 

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I can't imagine that Cincinnati would be preferred over UConn. WVU, yeah, I could see that.

What's the thinking on the yard? If an ACC invite comes so soon after we joined the Big East, do we take it? I think so.
Yep. I don't see it happening, but yep. It will cost us $30M, but yep. I freaking hate a bunch of those schools, but still... yep.
 
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Have to take it if an invite comes. It is all part of survival. I think the presumption was that we had 5-10 years before a big reshuffle would occur, which was obviously way off.
 
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I can't imagine that Cincinnati would be preferred over UConn. WVU, yeah, I could see that.

What's the thinking on the yard? If an ACC invite comes so soon after we joined the Big East, do we take it? I think so.
A full membership invite to ACC? I can't see how we would turn that down unless it came with the most absurd financial conditions ever. Thing is, it's not coming.
 

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A full membership invite to ACC? I can't see how we would turn that down unless it came with the most absurd financial conditions ever. Thing is, it's not coming.

Read some comments from Bowlsby recently about how much has changed even since the last realignment talk (AAC teams to Big 12). He said they view everything differently now. Cable TV markets aren't very relevant. Broad national brand recognition and the size of your fanbase is what matters from a monetary value perspective.

To me this was obvious even then, but at least these guys have caught on. In that new world, UConn's value goes up. Some others go down.
 
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Ask yourself what PAC Media partner is paying for PAC expansion? Won’t be ESPN. They won’t pay the bump to other PAC 12 teams while adding more slices for PAC to feed in adding Texas Tech and TCU while paying the bump to 14 SEC schools at the time OU/UT SEC add. 1/2

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Will it be FOX Sports who gives PAC the nod to expand into central timezone candidates Texas Tech, TCU and possibly 2 others? Not until FOX Sports/Big Ten and few PAC schools(USC)have finished their talks. Al roads to next realignment goes through Mark Silverman at FOX Sports.

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ESPN consolidated their College Sports assets in approving to reopen new Tier 1 deal starting in 2024 with SEC to give 14 SEC’s schools another bump in helping to move OU & UT to SEC. 1/2

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You don’t believe FOX Sports will at least attempt to do the same?…to consolidate top PAC schools into their money making Big Ten Conference? The attempt will be made before any other moves are supported by FOX Sports. 2/2

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I’ve seen lots of comments in regards to the potential of ACC adding WVU after Big 12 implodes. Ask yourself is ESPN committed to this move? ESPN already needs to bump 14 ACC schools during their look-in..while increasing already massive SEC Media deals (OU/UT). Tough question

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And of course there is the Academic/Research standards of PAC schools which is huge barrier for PAC expansion of Texas Tech, TCU and 2 others in some latest reporting. Next domino to fall is not PAC expansion. It’s the aftermath of top PAC Schools/Big Ten/FOX Sports talks.
 

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Another way to view this....TX and OK couldnt stay in the B12... media landscape wouldt support them at a level on par with the SEC and B1G. So with ESPN's blessing they will join the SEC to save themselves.

A reconstituted B12 is likely to have a media deal on par with the AAC.... I would think...which is lowly.

And if that is the case, can Cinci and UCF justify the AAC GOR penalty to move to the zombie B12? I think not.

If the B12 cannot secure a new media rights package that is sufficiently lucrative to draw a few G5s forward, then it seems the B12 is dead because backfilling with the SunBelt or CUSA is just not palatable.
 
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Another way to view this....TX and OK couldnt stay in the B12... media landscape wouldt support them at a level on par with the SEC and B1G. So with ESPN's blessing they will join the SEC to save themselves.

A reconstituted B12 is likely to have a media deal on par with the AAC.... I would think...which is lowly.

And if that is the case, can Cinci and UCF justify the AAC GOR penalty to move to the zombie B12? I think not.

If the B12 cannot secure a new media rights package that is sufficiently lucrative to draw a few G5s forward, then it seems the B12 is dead because backfilling with the SunBelt or CUSA is just not palatable under and circumstance.
IMO, only 1 of the AAC and B12 survive.

Once UT & Oklahoma are gone there is no cache to the B12 any longer. FOX would immediately blow up their deal with the conference putting all of the remaining B12 schools in limbo.

At that point the question becomes, which network wants to be the provider for the leftovers?

Does FOX decide to keep the B12 programming (with a few additions from the AAC) at a reduced rate or would they want to keep their ammo for the upcoming B1G negotiations? Or, does ESPN decide to bring some of the B12 leftovers into the AAC and provide a bump in money?
 

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IMO, only 1 of the AAC and B12 survive.

Once UT & Oklahoma are gone there is no cache to the B12 any longer. FOX would immediately blow up their deal with the conference putting all of the remaining B12 schools in limbo.

At that point the question becomes, which network wants to be the provider for the leftovers?

Does FOX decide to keep the B12 programming (with a few additions from the AAC) at a reduced rate or would they want to keep their ammo for the upcoming B1G negotiations? Or, does ESPN decide to bring some of the B12 leftovers into the AAC and provide a bump in money?
Yeah, but how does B12 add from the AAC give the 12 year GOR in place? Seems unlikely Fox could pay up to fix that expensive problem...unless ESPN agrees to let a couple AAC teams go and not financially penalize the conf...but even then maybe the fellow members of the AAC won't allow for such an easy exit. In the old B12 there was sufficient money to pay for G5 exits, but now it seems the B12 leftovers wont be able to offer enough to fix that issue.

Maybe the remaining B12 could add Boise and another MTW on the cheap because I dont think the MTW GOR is as strong.
 

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Yeah, but how does B12 add from the AAC give the 12 year GOR in place? Seems unlikely Fox could pay up to fix that expensive problem...unless ESPN agrees to let a couple AAC teams go and not financially penalize the conf...but even then maybe the fellow members of the AAC won't allow for such an easy exit. In the old B12 there was sufficient money to pay for G5 exits, but now it seems the B12 leftovers wont be able to offer enough to fix that issue.

Maybe the remaining B12 could add Boise and another MTW on the cheap because I dont think the MTW GOR is as strong.
I dont think the AAC GOR came to be did it?


And with the AAC, there was a significant subplot; the conference wanted a grant-of-rights agreement that would lock schools in for the long term (making it so they’d have to pay substantial penalties if they chose to leave), arguing that they could get much more money that way, while top schools like UCF and Memphis wanted to keep their options open.

In the end, the AAC signed a long-term deal without a grant of rights. But they still managed to make a major increase in the amount of money they’re getting, which will be almost four times what it was. And a big part of that is about moving more of their content to ESPN+, ESPN’s over-the-top streaming service.
 
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Any time you can get the 40th most populated state which also lost more people than any other state over the past decade and is located over an hour away from the nearest TV market and is a school with average at best academics.........you go for it.

Your leaving out the best part it's so easy to travel to Morgantown.
 
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IMO, only 1 of the AAC and B12 survive.

Once UT & Oklahoma are gone there is no cache to the B12 any longer. FOX would immediately blow up their deal with the conference putting all of the remaining B12 schools in limbo.

At that point the question becomes, which network wants to be the provider for the leftovers?

Does FOX decide to keep the B12 programming (with a few additions from the AAC) at a reduced rate or would they want to keep their ammo for the upcoming B1G negotiations? Or, does ESPN decide to bring some of the B12 leftovers into the AAC and provide a bump in money?
Yea i think the AAC is much more likely to add teams from the B12 than the opposite. They already have a cluster of southwestern locations, and i'd be shocked if the B12 just doesn't end up dissolving with no exit fees.
 

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I dont think the AAC GOR came to be did it?


And with the AAC, there was a significant subplot; the conference wanted a grant-of-rights agreement that would lock schools in for the long term (making it so they’d have to pay substantial penalties if they chose to leave), arguing that they could get much more money that way, while top schools like UCF and Memphis wanted to keep their options open.

In the end, the AAC signed a long-term deal without a grant of rights. But they still managed to make a major increase in the amount of money they’re getting, which will be almost four times what it was. And a big part of that is about moving more of their content to ESPN+, ESPN’s over-the-top streaming service.
My bad.
 
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Not a tweet, but I found the paragraph from the latest ESPN article interesting:

"More likely, according to multiple sources around the ACC and Pac-12, would be an even bigger "alliance" that could result in something as simple as the Pac-12 and ACC teaming up to work toward a new TV deal and help balance the power commanded by the new 16-team SEC or perhaps a merger that could lead to a 32-team super conference."

 
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