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He is 70th all time in rebounding and 4th among active players (trails Dwight Howard, Lebron, DeAndre Jordan)

He’s 27. He will go down as one of the greatest statistical rebounders of all time.
and currently working on six years running for top 20 in steals. and seven years running for top 20 in blocks. not bricks, cuz he's also six years for top 20 in shooting %, and 11th among all currently playing in career shooting %. awesomesauce.
 
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His teams have won 44% of the games he's played in the NBA. I'm just not sure you can make him a Hall of Famer if his teams never win.


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Thru 8 YearsWin Shares (Best to Worst)
Andre Drummond10.310.09.97.77.46.74.54.2
Marc Gasol90.511.510.28.48.27.96.45.63.7
Bill Laimbeer89.410.810.59.89.28.88.55.44.7
Robert Parish89.110.910.810.510.07.14.84.64.0
Swen Nater88.89.78.78.66.96.86.85.53.1
Larry Foust87.813.311.110.47.16.46.34.74.5
Billy Paultz87.29.08.98.78.67.05.65.35.0
Clyde Lovellette87.110.19.08.58.58.28.16.55.2
Bill Cartwright86.910.110.09.89.76.45.85.00.0
Jim Eakins86.69.08.57.67.47.46.63.62.9
Dikembe Mutombo86.011.310.89.48.88.77.97.64.8

For context, Basketball Reference gives Marc Gasol a 5% chance to make the Hall. Mutombo and Parish made the Hall from that list. Also Clyde Lovellette made it, but I've never heard of him.
 

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His teams have won 44% of the games he's played in the NBA. I'm just not sure you can make him a Hall of Famer if his teams never win.


Thru 8 YearsWin Shares (Best to Worst)
PlayerSim12345678
Andre Drummond10.310.09.97.77.46.74.54.2
Marc Gasol90.511.510.28.48.27.96.45.63.7
Bill Laimbeer89.410.810.59.89.28.88.55.44.7
Robert Parish89.110.910.810.510.07.14.84.64.0
Swen Nater88.89.78.78.66.96.86.85.53.1
Larry Foust87.813.311.110.47.16.46.34.74.5
Billy Paultz87.29.08.98.78.67.05.65.35.0
Clyde Lovellette87.110.19.08.58.58.28.16.55.2
Bill Cartwright86.910.110.09.89.76.45.85.00.0
Jim Eakins86.69.08.57.67.47.46.63.62.9
Dikembe Mutombo86.011.310.89.48.88.77.97.64.8

For context, Basketball Reference gives Marc Gasol a 5% chance to make the Hall. Mutombo and Parish made the Hall from that list. Also Clyde Lovellette made it, but I've never heard of him.

Andre is going to finish top 10 career rebounder. Those are all hall of fame players.

He's on pace for his fifth rebounding title behind only Chamberlain, Russell, Rodman, Howard and Malone.

He's gonna make HoF.
 
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Andre is going to finish top 10 career rebounder. Those are all hall of fame players.

He's on pace for his fifth rebounding title behind only Chamberlain, Russell, Rodman, Howard and Malone.

He's gonna make HoF.
All those guys also won titles and/or MVPs/DPOY with tons of All-NBA. It's not apples and oranges. Being the biggest/most athletic used to be more important in the scope of the league. Drummond has 1 3rd team all NBA.
 
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He can continue putting up ridiculous stats for years on garbage teams then chase titles in his later years like plenty of other bigs have done. Winning will happen eventually and his resume will be plenty good to get in
 
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Andre is going to finish top 10 career rebounder. Those are all hall of fame players.

He's on pace for his fifth rebounding title behind only Chamberlain, Russell, Rodman, Howard and Malone.

He's gonna make HoF.
I agree, but with the stipulation HOF are usually on a winning team for part of their career at least. His next team is key. This year, he went for the money again. Can’t blane him, but trade offs are involved. His life style is very good right now.
 
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His teams have won 44% of the games he's played in the NBA. I'm just not sure you can make him a Hall of Famer if his teams never win.


Thru 8 YearsWin Shares (Best to Worst)
PlayerSim12345678
Andre Drummond10.310.09.97.77.46.74.54.2
Marc Gasol90.511.510.28.48.27.96.45.63.7
Bill Laimbeer89.410.810.59.89.28.88.55.44.7
Robert Parish89.110.910.810.510.07.14.84.64.0
Swen Nater88.89.78.78.66.96.86.85.53.1
Larry Foust87.813.311.110.47.16.46.34.74.5
Billy Paultz87.29.08.98.78.67.05.65.35.0
Clyde Lovellette87.110.19.08.58.58.28.16.55.2
Bill Cartwright86.910.110.09.89.76.45.85.00.0
Jim Eakins86.69.08.57.67.47.46.63.62.9
Dikembe Mutombo86.011.310.89.48.88.77.97.64.8

For context, Basketball Reference gives Marc Gasol a 5% chance to make the Hall. Mutombo and Parish made the Hall from that list. Also Clyde Lovellette made it, but I've never heard of him.
He's 27. He's just entering his prime. Provided he avoids injury he's going to a bunch of years closer to 1-3 rather than 7-8.
 
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I agree, but with the stipulation HOF are usually on a winning team for part of their career at least. His next team is key. This year, he went for the money again. Can’t blane him, but trade offs are involved. His life style is very good right now.
Agreed, if he wants to make the Hall, he absolutely needs to go to a winner next contract. He'll still be in his prime for another 3-4 years.
 
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He's 27. He's just entering his prime. Provided he avoids injury he's going to a bunch of years closer to 1-3 rather than 7-8.
Those are through 8 seasons for all those guys, so they were all in their primes at that time (depending on age of entering the league, which admitted he's a couple years younger than most of those guys).
 
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Agreed, if he wants to make the Hall, he absolutely needs to go to a winner next contract. He'll still be in his prime for another 3-4 years.
If nothing else he needs to find himself in a better city... Middletown to Detroit to Cleveland...woof (storrs excluded for obvious reasons)
 

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Andre's the best rebounder in NBA history in terms of total rebound rate -- i.e. the percentage of available rebounds you end up with while on the court. He's even ahead of Wilt & Russ.

Rebound rate methodology
Offensive rebound rate
Defensive rebound rate
Wilt and Russell's data are estimated data from here, here and here.

All that said, his two best plays last night weren't even points or rebounds, but the two late steals he pulled on Barrett. Dude has such quick hands. I'm dying to see him surrounded by great teammates and in a system that can actually put him to good use, which is what the Mavs would be.
 
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Still can't figure out why he couldn't rebound his one year at UCONN.

The 2012 team had Drummond, Roscoe Smith (who I think led the NCAA in rebounding when he transferred to Vegas) and an all time great head coach who emphasized rebounding,......and with all that the 2012 team stunk at rebounding.

Never underestimate chemistry or the lack there of.
That 2012 team was weird. It made no sense they were as bad as they were.
 
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All that said, his two best plays last night weren't even points or rebounds, but the two late steals he pulled on Barrett. Dude has such quick hands. I'm dying to see him surrounded by great teammates and in a system that can actually put him to good use, which is what the Mavs would be.
Some of my best memories of him at UConn were the times he stripped guards at half court and then went in for break away dunks. I remember him doing it a few times and thought you don't usually see guys that big do that.
 
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i love drummond, but i can't see him in the HOF... he only has two all-star appearances, one all-nba appearance (a designation that actually favors centers) and has never won a playoff game.
 
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i love drummond, but i can't see him in the HOF... he only has two all-star appearances, one all-nba appearance (a designation that actually favors centers) and has never won a playoff game.
Indeed if he retired or died today he wouldn't make it in. But we're projecting.
 
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I believe Andre was our only one and done player. He went #10? in the NBA draft. I think one more year with Calhoun would have put him at the top of NBA draft boards.
He was mocked as a potential #1 by most services if he never went to college. I’m just happy he’s an Alum. He might have cost himself a couple million going to college at all that year.
 

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Safe to assume all the posters suggesting Dre isn't making HoF because he's been on losing teams also would out Carmelo?

Just a guy who scored but never accomplished any success in NBA. High volume scorer on bad teams.
 
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Safe to assume all the posters suggesting Dre isn't making HoF because he's been on losing teams also would out Carmelo?

Just a guy who scored but never accomplished any success in NBA. High volume scorer on bad teams.
I mean, not to defend Melo too much, but he has olympic rings and led the Nuggets to the Western Conference Finals (only to lose to Kobe), and led a 50+ win Knicks team.

Add in his college success and he's in a very different league than Drummond—and when he was 27 he was even more obviously a HOFer.
 
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I mean, not to defend Melo too much, but he has olympic rings and led the Nuggets to the Western Conference Finals (only to lose to Kobe), and led a 50+ win Knicks team.

Add in his college success and he's in a very different league than Drummond—and when he was 27 he was even more obviously a HOFer.
Yeah Melo is not a good example. One of the more diverse offensive games the NBA has seen. If Andre hooks onto a great team in his waning years he should be a HOFer, his rebounding numbers are the greatest of all time when accounting for the time period skews that Wilt and Russell have.
 

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