I agree...except at Purdue. Sharon Versyp took a program with a National Championship, who was a perennial top-10 team and an upper echelon B1G team to below mediocrity. She should've been fired 5 years ago. It's sad that Purdue cares so little about women's hoops that they've let this go on this long.
Would you say that your timeline for a coach to improve and turn a program around is 4 years?
Yeah, you have to see SOMETHING moving in the right direction within 4 years.
I have to say that I’m in awe of your knowledge of a program you’re not even a fan of. Kudos to you sir. And thanks for sharing your expertise.
Sometimes early success is misleading (winning with the recruits of the previous coach) and sometimes early "failure" is misleading (losing when the cupboard is left bare by the previous coach). When Nell Fortner took over at Auburn her first two years were mediocre (expected) followed by three seasons of 20+ winning seasons and improving tournament performance. The next three years were back to mediocrity. So is she a good coach or not? Or was it because her success coincided with the play of the great DeWanna Bonner? Agnus Berenato took over a terrible Pitt program in 2003. Losing seasons first two years followed by four 20+ win seasons (including two sweet 16 finishes) and then four years of worsening performance (winless in conference final two years). So does that make her a good coach or a bad coach? There are a lot of factors involved in turning around a program and with most P5 conferences having 5 or 6 talent-laden teams consistently at the top it is becoming increasingly difficult for a coach to turn around a program that quickly.
Yeah, there are a lot of factors, it can get complicated trying to say a coach is simply "good" or "bad." And it can change over time. Or change when the coach moves from one job to another. Probably too many examples to start listing them. Also coaches can have ups and downs, a lull for a year or two can happen.
It may be too early to judge Coach Yo but her second season was worse than her first (9-22,3-13 /7-23,0-16) and so far this year is 9-9,3-9. Do you think they are going to win either of their remaining games at SC and at Ky ? She is a great recruiter no doubt (her freshman class was considered the best in the SEC) and adding transfer S.Austin has been a huge boost but they lost their last 6 games in 2019, the last 17 in 2020, and likely 4 of their last 6 this year. The end of the season is when you have to show some improvement. No top 100 recruits for 2021 and nothing so far for 2022....
Agreed, my friend. To reach true success (imo 20+ wins/season,double-digit conference wins, making the big dance most years,sometimes reaching the sweet 16) requires consistency in coaching and recruiting. A good coach can only do so much without top 100 talent. I think ASU has a good coach but this season they are 5-9 in conference (9th) ?! A new coach coming in to the Pac-12 , even with a solid freshmen recruiting class can't be expected to do better than 20-10, 9-9 by the time they're seniors in 4 years and that kind of freshman recruiting class is highly unlikely first year for a number of reasons. Even then, that class would need to be followed up with more good recruiting classes to have continued success. If a team finishes 7th or 8th in the conference year after year is that good enough? In order for one school to rise another must fall. Will it be Stanford? Oregon? Arizona? Oregon State? UCLA? Arizona State? Not likely. There are some conferences where a new coach might break through (Big Ten and especially the Big12)but for most getting above 7th or 8th place in conference would be a real coaching feat!
Yes
JR is safe at Colorado but she needs to improve recruiting. If the men van recruit top players, she should be able to as well. After all, Boulder is consistently ranked as the No.1 place to live.
25-63 in conference in 5 years. Expectations must be pretty low for that to be considered acceptable.
Nothing against Marynell Meadors...but Sue Semrau IS FSU; she has built that program into what it is today, which is light years ahead of what it was when she started. I suspect Semrau can do whatever she wants, and if that means continuing to coach FSU, so be it.
Do you think this is because they are basically paying Malzahn to be the FB coach at UCF, or is there actual faith that Coach Flo can turn it around? If it's the latter, I worry about the Auburn athletics leadership.
McCallie is an interesting choice since she got her start as assistant at .... Auburn!
Me neither. She had 10 years, and they clearly are going in the wrong direction.
I'd love to see GG land at Purdue!
Honestly you may be right. I have more respect for Flo as her team didn't quit, got better to end the year and played hard. They literally had no talent outside of two players on that roster but those kids gave it everything they had.
Nikki was coaching her rear end off today. Her body language today screamed "Secbbfan24 on the BY wants to see offense! Secbbfan24 on the BY wants to see defense! Well, here they both are. We are going to be wedded together in WCBB bliss for many years yet to come!"