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He doesn't like it until you agree with him. And even then he will argue with you some more and call you inconsistent. He can't help himself. He is an academic and that is what they do bestest. And please remember, his opinion is more important than yours could ever be as a mere mortal.You have a real issue with the standards that industries use to rate and rank stuff it seems. You don't like the Director's Cup. You don't like USN&WR ranking of best colleges, and now the AP/UPI polling. You probably don't like how the film industry assigns G,PG,PG-13,R, and X either, but not sure. I can't help how the football national championships were decided between 1900 and 1999, but they were decided in each of those years, and yes when the AP and UPI disagreed, there were co-champions. It happened in 1990 with Georgia Tech and Colorado.
He doesn't like it until you agree with him. And even then he will argue with you some more and call you inconsistent. He can't help himself. He is an academic and that is what they do bestest. And please remember, his opinion is more important than yours could ever be as a mere mortal.
Poppycock. Nebraska and Penn State both fell due to the loss or age/ineffectiveness of legendary coaches (and let's not get into the PSU side of that topic). By all accounts O'Brien was bringing Penn State back. Nebraska has never fully recovered since Osborne, and Pelini probably has to do something more this year to keep his job. Neither has Michigan really since Bo (at a minimum since Carr). All three have the same problem. All three are in much better shape than Miami, with much stronger fan bases.
I seem to recall Florida State going through the "age/ineffectiveness of legendary coach" more recently than did Michigan or Nebraska. (Carr and Osborne both retired immediately after 1997 shared championship, yes? Apologies if I am mistaken.)
Where did Florida State finish last year?
Michigan? Nebraska?
BTStimpy is spot on, IMHO.
I love reading you're posts. These ACC guys have a arrogant way of telling us they want us in the ACC BUT somehow they don't see UConn, a large state flagbearing state school in the B1G!?! What? I heard the same BS about RU UNTIL they were there then they'll say well only because Cuse and Pitt were off the board...WHAT PSU was gonna let Pitt in? Cuse knew they were never gonna get into the B1G so(facesaving) fled before it became a reality when the B1G made their move on RU/Md and if not for BC/Cuse you guys would have been Md's replacement.We RU fans figured it was a "done deal"UConn to ACC"...ahh politics and jealousy...a heady potion!! I'm living for the day it becomes the new reality(UConn is B1G) to see their arrogant ACC faces!!
As for USNews, we've gone into this before quite a few times, and they base most of their rankings on a reputational questionnaire filled out by university presidents. Florida State's pres. completed one and its available on the internet. He has Ivy League schools in the 3rd tier with his former place of work top ranked. It's a joke. This is why you have AAU schools ranked 150 and schools with meager resources like Clemson ranked 5o-70. no one in their right minds would agree with a ranking like that. Just for kicks, look at Reed College's ranking. This school is acknowledged universally as one of the top 10-15 liberal arts schools in the entire country. They have them way way down. It's a joke.
And by the way, here's another ridiculous metric that you probably tout: APR. You're probably one of these people that think the APR has something to do with graduation from a university.
USC, Alabama, Oklahoma, etc. All these schools went through it. Florida St. recovered quickly. But the other schools on the list, like Oklahoma and USC and Alabama aren't slouches.
Exactly, you're proving my point. Alabama and Oklahoma were down for shorter periods than the recent Michigan/Nebraska drought. Yes, USC's pre-Carroll drought is similar to the recent Michigan/Nebraska drought (and, boy, did they hire some bad coaches in that time), but their recruiting grounds (like Alabama and Oklahoma) are much stronger than Michigan's or Nebraska's.
Further, regarding "coaching":
Who rebuilt Alabama most recently? A coach two stops removed from Michigan State, who never attained that success at Michigan State.
Who rebuilt Oklahoma most recently? A coach with deep Ohio roots who began his coaching at Iowa.
Yes, Bill O'Brien did a fine job reassembling Penn State; did you read some of his parting comments?
Bret Bielema had a done a fine job at Wisconsin (succeeding the closest thing Wisconsin has to "legend"), but never achieved ultimate success there, and left because Wisconsin wouldn't pay his coaches at the level of the SEC.
I am impressed with Mark Dantonio at Michigan State. It will be interesting to see their future/his future. And, by "going to the dark side", Ohio State will continue winning many games on the gridiron after bringing local boy back home after his stint within the Evil Empire. Whether that translates into national championships remains to be seen.
The B1G has had great coaches, but they are not always able to keep them nor attract "the best" replacements.
I don't know if USNWR rankings are worth the Tyler Phommachanh they are printed on, but they do seem to be a popular ranking standard, just as the AAU is.
1992 to 2009 is a very long period for Alabama football. In fact, Alabama won just one championship over that 30 year period.
For the second time, I agree with you about USC.USC was as bad.
Oklahoma still won a BCS bowl last year, had a conference co-championship the year before. But, yes, there is a significant faction of Sooners that is not happy.Oklahoma went 15 seasons between championships. They are on another 13 year streak right now, so one championship in 28 years.
There are many perspectives I could argue, but I agree with your statement.This compares with PSU whose last championship caliber team was in 1994. They've gone 19 years. Paterno ran it into the ground.
By the way, there is nothing really wrong with James Franklin's recruiting. Have a look.
Yes, Ohio State (unlike the rest of the B1G) plays much of the "SEC" game, and hiring coaches like Tressell and Meyer pays dividends.Ohio State too has looked really decent after Cooper left.
Well, these two standards can't both be right, since they are so wildly divergent.
I seem to recall Florida State going through the "age/ineffectiveness of legendary coach" more recently than did Michigan or Nebraska. (Carr and Osborne both retired immediately after 1997 shared championship, yes? Apologies if I am mistaken.)
Where did Florida State finish last year?
Michigan? Nebraska?
BTStimpy is spot on, IMHO.
I seem to recall Florida State going through the "age/ineffectiveness of legendary coach" more recently than did Michigan or Nebraska. (Carr and Osborne both retired immediately after 1997 shared championship, yes? Apologies if I am mistaken.)
Where did Florida State finish last year?
Michigan? Nebraska?
BTStimpy is spot on, IMHO.
I think there's some angst left for ACCers. They're the lamb sandwiched between two seemingly sated wolves. But if/when the SEC's and/or B1G's hunger returns, bricks are going to get pooped because the ACC's turn in the barrel is next.Everyone is a winner except UConn and Cincinnati. There is no angst for anyone else who isn't out of their minds.
You are a fan of the defending national champion and you have nothing better to worry about than Maryland. Like I said bizarre.
I've too have imagined what round UConn would be taken if the P5 were to start over from scratch. Given current conference footprints (and reasonable expansion) and 5 schools per round, what universities would get selected ahead of us? Might be worth a thread of its own sometime. Perhaps a poll.Yup. We are a defending national champion in the other revenue sport but for some absurd reason, we are stuck in the American resorting to shaking a cup of change on street corners for any kind of money we can get. Again, absurd. Off of the very top of my head, if I was a fan of Wake, BC, Cuse, Pitt, NC State, Duke, Maryland, UNC (can now add them to this list given their academic fraud scandals), UVA, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Iowa, Iowa State, Colorado, Utah, TCU, Oklahoma State, Rutgers, Louisville, Arkansas, Texas Tech, Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, or Oregon State, I would just be happy to be grandfathered or accepted into a P5 conference.
I mean no disrespect to any visiting fans of any of those schools. All I'm saying is that UCONN fans could give a very compelling side-by-side comparison with most/all of them if there was ever a "P5 Draft" conducted from scratch. Be thankful that your Presidents and ADs past and present were able to position your school inside the P5. Trust us, from the outside looking in, it ' sucks to see some of these schools in a p5 conference when we know full well that UCONN can compete and make money on par with all of them if all things were level. Forgive UCONN fans for not wanting to read about B1G or ACC championships from the 50s and 60s as a determining factor for what conference is the superior. All UCONN fans want to read about is the how/where/why/what/WHEN we are going to a P5 conference like the schools that I listed above enjoy.
I think there's some angst left for ACCers. They're the lamb sandwiched between two seemingly sated wolves. But if/when the SEC's and/or B1G's hunger returns, bricks are going to get pooped because the ACC's turn in the barrel is next.
Do you even think beyond yesterday afternoon when considering realignment? Those were (hopefully) 50 year decisions being made. "What have you done for me lately?" thinking is completely inappropriate under such circumstances.Beating Florida was a very good win for the Cards. Florida that year had beaten an 11 win South Carolina, a 11 win Texas A&M, a 12 win FSU and a 10 win LSU.....beating ten win or better teams from a good league is a sign of strength.
UConn has had some good wins.
They just did not catch P5 eyes re football. The last ten seasons, against the the current P5 conferences (ACC, SEC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12), UConn has beaten one P5 team with a winning record (South Carolina-7 wins).
Wow.and too think you were the one ACC fan that had a "shred" of decency!?! Join BB and stimpy as deluded, jealous apologetic ACC fans....how would you know why anyone adds anyone?? Join the rest of us fans dissapointed in losing regionality in college sports! How's you're ACCN going if you're so popular? You sound like you work for the spin....if RU was so irrelevant I doubt you ACCers would give a sheet..lol with you're status as the Carolina/Va conference and 2nd tier everywhere else!! The Eastern Sports Conference will be up before anyone but those touting(Espin) you but not supporting a network for you is up!! SEC/ESpin has nothing to gain overpaying you anymore than they already do.How many times do you think you can drink from that well clown? Man how stupid you southerners must think us yankee's that you think you can convert or divide us!?!Ask Penn State fans how they were treated during those first years they were playing Big Ten teams
Ask the midwestern fans how they feel about playing the basketball tournaments in the Eastern cities
Ask them how they feel about Maryland and Rutgers in "their" conference
Or are you going to say that those are figments of my imagination.
If you think we ACC'ers are arrogant, they really believe that the Big Ten should only remain centered in the Midwest, even though they've been losing football players to the South for decades. Yes, they aren't really losing population but their growth rates have been miniscule compared to other regions. You may want to check the US Census data if you think I'm not telling the truth. Even worse is there are less and less football players growing up in that region because of 1) concentration on other sports 2) parents becoming too jittery about letting their kids play football.
The funny thing is that these fans still expect a high quality football league. Where the hell are you going to find players from? How can you have a football program without football players? Even Einstein can't figure that one out!
That's the real reason why Delany and the presidents brought you in. NJ still has decent high school programs. But they've been mined over and over again by programs not only in the East but by programs down the coast as well.
The Big Ten should just accept reality that they won't be a great conference in football in the future and concentrate on becoming the best in other sports like basketball, hockey, women's sports, etc.. But the ACC is already working hard to remain competitive in those sports as well (except for hockey, since we don't sponsor it). That's why UConn is a better fit for the ACC than the Big Ten. They've proven that they can compete with the resources they've been given. I doubt we'd see expansion for the next ten years but if we then have to expand again I would prefer UConn as the first candidate.
Yes, be grateful that somebody brought you into the P5 but don't stand there and act like you're great shakes. It's the state of NJ much more than the school in it. It's up to your program to make the most of the new opportunity. Let us worry about Pitt and Syracuse. You have to worry about Ohio State and Iowa fans thinking you don't belong.
As W. C. Fields once said, "At long last an honest man, want to return some money." Even on his worst day, W.C. wasn't as snarky as your last sentence, though.Oh...FSU fans are always worried, Whaler.
Worried about being marginalized while playing in the very shadow of the SEC...with Alabama and Georgia very near on the border and with as many Gator tags in Tallahassee as FSU tags. The Borg is always there. And their games are compelling to watch. Living this close to the Borg, it is like living in eastern Ukraine....
Worried that Miami will not once again become an opponent that will put the annual match on a national stage as it did in the 90's.
Worried that Virginia, Wake, Syracuse, et al won't provide match ups that folks care to watch.
Worried that the Coastal Division may put up a non competitive division champ. That division race should be wide open this year with no dominant team.
What we don't particularly worry about is basketball. We are resigned to our place in the basketball world and have no hopes for much better.
The ACC won't die, just like the Big East didn't die.For like the one tenth of one percent who follow this stuff like this.
I still think the death to the ACC talk is just message board hive mind stuff.
Excellent response...some of these guys from the ACC are actually justifing Swoffys visionless moves as "wise" lol....while denigrating the B1G for actually making wise moves! WTF?Do you even think beyond yesterday afternoon when considering realignment? Those were (hopefully) 50 year decisions being made. "What have you done for me lately?" thinking is completely inappropriate under such circumstances.
What these guys are trying to say really is "the south shall rise again"...with the help of yankee transplants!The ACC won't die, just like the Big East didn't die.
You left out "My Name Is Inigo Montoya...".Zorro vs Rob Roy MacGregor's claymore?.another epic? I guess you'd also remember Tugboat Annie+ Broderick Crawfords Highway Patrol? lol...great yrs with few channel's but memorable TV shows.