OT: New Casino near the Rent?

[SonsOfNutmeg]

I'm sitting in the parking lot now and the entire "silver lame corridor" is so defunct it's embarrassing. The town has stymied business by the virtue of its zoning board for years. They are still under the impression that this is a middle class town that doesn't need industry and business to grow its grand list. Maybe there's been some turnover.

Soooo true. I've always felt that East Hartford should be better than what it is, so small time. The Rent (and this development that seems to never come) should be built up, around the stadium- think what Kraft did at Patriot Place. Why can't Connecticut share in something similar at The Rent? We already have a good start with Cabellas there.

 

[SonsOfNutmeg]

Anyone know whatever happened to this project?? http://articles.courant.com/2014-03...atos-development-group-outlet-center-web-site

 

[DoctorWho85]

Anyone know whatever happened to this project?? http://articles.courant.com/2014-03...atos-development-group-outlet-center-web-site

I can't find the article, but some old guy that watches birds put up a big stink about some type of bird that nests there so the project got put on hold until an environmental study can be completed

 

[CL82]

Anyone know whatever happened to this project?? http://articles.courant.com/2014-03...atos-development-group-outlet-center-web-site

"We're pretty confident about the site," Skioen said. "We haven't started in many sites that we haven't completed."

Are they bragging about the fact that there are some that they have started and haven't completed because that does not sound like a good thing to me.

 

[FAIRTIDES]

"We're pretty confident about the site," Skioen said. "We haven't started in many sites that we haven't completed."

Are they bragging about the fact that there are some that they have started and haven't completed because that does not sound like a good thing to me.

And "doing nothing is a horrible job cause you can't ever tell when you're finished."

 

[Waquoit]

I can't find the article, but some old guy that watches birds put up a big stink about some type of bird that nests there so the project got put on hold until an environmental study can be completed

Are you sure? I thought they just patted that guy on the head and sent him on his way.

 

[DarthGrumpy]

I can't find the article, but some old guy that watches birds put up a big stink about some type of bird that nests there so the project got put on hold until an environmental study can be completed

Shouldn't have a case as any nesting bird in there would be a relatively new phenomenon since nesting birds and active airports do not mix well. The private airfield known as Rentschler Field closed in 1999.

I have a solution in any case. My parents love birds and used to have birdhouses all over their yard in CT. One day I was home for the Holidays from UConn and this colorful little bird started eating away at the feeder. My Mom ran over to the window and started yipping about whatever it was. About 30 second later, this dark colored object flashes by leaving just a few red feathers behind. My Mom yells in surprise. I walk out on the porch and sitting on the chair is a Red Tail Hawk enjoying lunch. I laugh. Mom sees it too and screams. Apparently that went on for a few months and eventually my parents gave up and took down the birdfeeders, which I had re-named hawk buffet stations.

PS - This goes way back; but, why didn't CT build out Rentschler Field as it's main commercial airport instead of Bradley? The main runway is long enough, its close to downtown Hartford, and pilots would not have to worry a bout that 800 foot ridge just west of the airport. P&W's operations should not be an issue as a lot of airports have heavy manufacturing around them (Long Beach, Seattle, Wichita, Philly, etc.).

 

[BlueDogs]

If we have to have another casino, it belongs next to the Connecticut Convention Center to make the destination more entertaining. Close to the Rent, Convention Center and Downtown. Putting it in Enfield is as dumb as it gets.

 

[TheDoggPound]

Agreed BlueDogs. I don't think the EH proposal is bad but any casino in GH should be IN Hartford. Adrien's Landing is a great spot and it would help the Front Street district truly flourish.

 

[Confident Carl]

It will probably happen but I can't see anything beyond the ridiculous casinos at Yonkers and Aquaduct.

Mohegan Sun's debt was straight up junk last time I checked. Who would lend them money to build a hotel?

The property is an abandoned Showcase Cinema and the area around it is marginally better than Detroit.

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-casino-impact-20150406-story.html

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Shouldn't have a case as any nesting bird in there would be a relatively new phenomenon since nesting birds and active airports do not mix well. The private airfield known as Rentschler Field closed in 1999.

I have a solution in any case. My parents love birds and used to have birdhouses all over their yard in CT. One day I was home for the Holidays from UConn and this colorful little bird started eating away at the feeder. My Mom ran over to the window and started yipping about whatever it was. About 30 second later, this dark colored object flashes by leaving just a few red feathers behind. My Mom yells in surprise. I walk out on the porch and sitting on the chair is a Red Tail Hawk enjoying lunch. I laugh. Mom sees it too and screams. Apparently that went on for a few months and eventually my parents gave up and took down the birdfeeders, which I had re-named hawk buffet stations.

PS - This goes way back; but, why didn't CT build out Rentschler Field as it's main commercial airport instead of Bradley? The main runway is long enough, its close to downtown Hartford, and pilots would not have to worry a bout that 800 foot ridge just west of the airport. P&W's operations should not be an issue as a lot of airports have heavy manufacturing around them (Long Beach, Seattle, Wichita, Philly, etc.).

I never understood why people spent one red cent of their money to feed birds. They are filthy creatures who have been around since the dinosaurs. Stop feeding birds and spend your money feeding people instead.

Regarding the airport, Bradley is located strategically between Hartford and Springfield to accomodate both metropolitan areas. The 800 foot ridge is not an issue either.

 

[whaler11]

http://www.courant.com/business/hc-casino-impact-20150406-story.html

Yep that's the case for building it. Good money after bad, rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.... chose whatever analogy you like best.

 

[whaler11]

If anyone ever needs a case study on why you don't overinvest in projects that can be easily replicated closer to population centers:

"Combined revenues for both Connecticut casinos declined by 39 percent in the past eight years to $1.9 billion last year from a peak of $3.2 billion in 2006."

 

[CL82]

Shouldn't have a case as any nesting bird in there would be a relatively new phenomenon since nesting birds and active airports do not mix well. The private airfield known as Rentschler Field closed in 1999.

I have a solution in any case. My parents love birds and used to have birdhouses all over their yard in CT. One day I was home for the Holidays from UConn and this colorful little bird started eating away at the feeder. My Mom ran over to the window and started yipping about whatever it was. About 30 second later, this dark colored object flashes by leaving just a few red feathers behind. My Mom yells in surprise. I walk out on the porch and sitting on the chair is a Red Tail Hawk enjoying lunch. I laugh. Mom sees it too and screams. Apparently that went on for a few months and eventually my parents gave up and took down the birdfeeders, which I had re-named hawk buffet stations.

PS - This goes way back; but, why didn't CT build out Rentschler Field as it's main commercial airport instead of Bradley? The main runway is long enough, its close to downtown Hartford, and pilots would not have to worry a bout that 800 foot ridge just west of the airport. P&W's operations should not be an issue as a lot of airports have heavy manufacturing around them (Long Beach, Seattle, Wichita, Philly, etc.).

Periodically a Red-tail Hawk comes into my neighborhood and stays until the chipmunks are gone. He usually perches on my deck looking out at the yard. It's pretty cool and takes about a week or two.

 

[Husky25]

If anyone ever needs a case study on why you don't overinvest in projects that can be easily replicated closer to population centers:

"Combined revenues for both Connecticut casinos declined by 39 percent in the past eight years to $1.9 billion last year from a peak of $3.2 billion in 2006."

This has nothing to do with the Great Recession. Lack of steady cash in-flow is quite the efficient manner to prompt the reassessment of priorities and on what to spend discretionary funds.

Once you go without for a period of time, you realize you can do without.

 

[whaler11]

This has nothing to do with the Great Recession. Lack of steady cash in-flow is quite the efficient manner to prompt the reassessment of priorities and on what to spend discretionary funds.

Once you go without for a period of time, you realize you can do without.

? Do you mean that people cut the casino out during the recession and didn't go back?

I'm sure that is part of it.

Also part of it: most people learn over the course of time they are generally going to lose and stop touching the stove.

Plus they are two of the least enjoyable casinos to gamble in on the planet. Relatively high minimums - and everyone who plays table games is seemingly losing their last $100. Rarely does anyone seem to be having fun - the anger levels at the tables are sky high.

 

[Husky25]

? Do you mean that people cut the casino out during the recession and didn't go back?

Yes. Pretty much.

Also part of it: most people learn over the course of time they are generally going to lose and stop touching the stove.

Agreed. Another part is that jobs are not as readily available to graduates with only bachelor's degrees as they once were in the late 90s. Many need extra schooling, which puts them even more in debt, and even then they may not have a good paying job upon graduation. It's just not on their radar. There was a time back in the early 2000s, when friends and I went down to the casino every third weekend (or so it seemed). We were young, dumb, employed, and had a comparative molehill of debt.

Plus they are two of the least enjoyable casinos to gamble in on the planet. Relatively high minimums Relatively high minimums - and everyone who plays table games is seemingly losing their last $100. Rarely does anyone seem to be having any fun - the anger levels at the tables are sky high.

I don't do much except poker nowadays for that exact reason. When my wife comes with me, we hardly gamble. It's mostly for a show or dinner.

 

[Waquoit]

Don't forget the dealers, by and large they suck but they make up for it by being

 

[mets1090]

Also part of it: most people learn over the course of time they are generally going to lose and stop touching the stove.

Plus they are two of the least enjoyable casinos to gamble in on the planet. Relatively high minimums - and everyone who plays table games is seemingly losing their last $100.

Well this is the case wherever you go. The odds are what they are. I don't think the minimums are all that bad. You can generally find a $10 table for most games. On a Friday or Saturday night you shouldn't have a problem finding a $15 table. I've never been to Vegas but my understanding is that even there on a weekend it's tough to find anything below $10.

As an aside, Mohegan actually has some of the most favorable Blackjack rules you'll find with a house edge of under 0.5% if you actually know basic strategy.

 

[Husky25]

Don't forget the dealers, by and large they suck but they make up for it by being

Not all the dealers in Vegas are full of sunshine and gumdrops. No pun intended (but not avoided either), it really is a crapshoot who you get.

 

[Jimmy Serrano]

Well this is the case wherever you go. The odds are what they are. I don't think the minimums are all that bad. You can generally find a $10 table for most games. On a Friday or Saturday night you shouldn't have a problem finding a $15 table. I've never been to Vegas but my understanding is that even there on a weekend it's tough to find anything below $10.

As an aside, Mohegan actually has some of the most favorable Blackjack rules you'll find with a house edge of under 0.5% if you actually know basic strategy.

I must be looking in the wrong places. Everytime I go all I see are $25 minimums. And I don't go on the weekends.

 

[whaler11]

Well this is the case wherever you go. The odds are what they are. I don't think the minimums are all that bad. You can generally find a $10 table for most games. On a Friday or Saturday night you shouldn't have a problem finding a $15 table. I've never been to Vegas but my understanding is that even there on a weekend it's tough to find anything below $10.

As an aside, Mohegan actually has some of the most favorable Blackjack rules you'll find with a house edge of under 0.5% if you actually know basic strategy.

In Vegas and AC you can find much lower minimums across the board. I actually played at a $1 craps table in Vegas.

Yes, people learn everywhere that they lose in the long run. These are two huge casinos with a ton of debt that are attempting to survive off people who live locally. I think it's just a different equation when you need to survive off a local population versus being casinos that are visited by people who are generally away from home or on vacation.

W is right the dealers are generally balloon knots, but so are the players and I've never been to casinos where people tip dealers less.

 

[whaler11]

I must be looking in the wrong places. Everytime I go all I see are $25 minimums. And I don't go on the weekends.

There are usually some lower limit tables. They are also generally 2 deep around them and miserable places to play. Nothing like watching clowns hit 3s against 5s.

 

[mets1090]

I must be looking in the wrong places. Everytime I go all I see are $25 minimums. And I don't go on the weekends.

Disclaimer: I can only speak for Blackjack/Roulette and I only go to Mohegan.

There's a pit by the sports bar (follow signs for the Bow and Arrow Sports Bar) that's only open F/Sa/Su nights that is never more than $15 and you can usually find $10. Most people don't even know it's there. It's rare that you can't find a seat in this pit if you are willing to wait for 5 or 10 minutes. Most weekends I sit down with no wait. The dealers here are almost always younger so you don't have to deal with the classic "I've been dealing for 15 years and don't want to talk to anyone" types.

If you're going during the week you should have no problem finding a $10 or $15. Just don't go near the Wolf Den which is always $25. It shouldn't even be that difficult to get a seat at the $5 in Sky on a weekday.

 

[mets1090]

There are usually some lower limit tables. They are also generally 2 deep around them and miserable places to play. Nothing like watching clowns hit 3s against 5s.

It's important to remember that other player's mistakes are just as likely to help you as they are to hurt you.