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Oh my god, this thread is out of control. Will someone please PM me when there is actually a "non-key tweet"? thanks in advance!
Oh my god, this thread is out of control. Will someone please PM me when there is actually a "non-key tweet"? thanks in advance!
Well IF you believe the source about the B12 expansion, then you also have to believe when he said ESPN would keep members at current revenue levels. Travel costs would go up for some teams and possibly down for others like WVU. The level of basketball would go up immediately and there will be more marque match ups throughout the season.
All you really have to do is look at UCONN's schedule en route to the Fiesta Bowl and it will smack you in the face. Miami, VPI, and BCU were gone. OK, UCONN beat WVU that year. I am all for supporting UCONN and then some. But if you think the unranked 8-4 UCONN team beating WVU and making it to the Fiesta Bowl scenario had nothing to do with CR, then we simply disagree.All you've proven is that you really don't understand, understand?
The Big East wasn't simply a basketball conference. It was a sports conference. It was also a mechanism for revenue for all of the schools in the Big East that decided to form the football conference. If you think that UConn had nothing to do with that, or with the financial success of the Big East schools prior to or during the conference's football creation, then you truly do NOT understand, understand?
Secondly, realignment had nothing to do with the fact that WE beat West Virginia. WE beat Pitt. WE beat Cincy. WE had NFL players on that roster. WE weren't gifted anything.
Good God, I'll never understand why I find so much underestimating of UConn's accomplishments on a friggin' UConn fan site...
All you really have to do is look at UCONN's schedule en route to the Fiesta Bowl and it will smack you in the face. Miami, VPI, and BCU were gone. OK, UCONN beat WVU that year. I am all for supporting UCONN and then some. But if you think the unranked 8-4 UCONN team beating WVU and making it to the Fiesta Bowl scenario had nothing to do with CR, then we simply disagree.
You are really just proving my point.How quickly we forget that there was a 5-loss team in a BCS bowl before. And there were three other 4-loss teams in the BCS before. And none of them were from a conference named the Big East. And there were a slew of 3-loss teams as well. Just in case you missed it, here they are:
Wisconsin 8-5 (2012) they eventually lost this game and became a 6-loss team, but I digress.
Fla. St. 9-4 (2003)
Fla. St. 8-4 (2005)
Va. Tech 9-4 (2008)
Syracuse 8-3 (1999)
Stanford 8-3 (2000)
Purdue 8-3 (2001)
LSU 9-3 (2002)
Kan. St. 11-3 (2004)
Pitt 8-3 (2005)
Illinois 9-3 (2008)
West Va. 9-3 (2012)
Clemson 10-3 (2012)
So I'm seeing a lot of the ACC, and I'm seeing some B1G, and I even see 1 each from the Big12, Pac12, and SEC (although there is no argument that a 3-loss SEC team still probably deserved their spot).
I apologize if my tone was too over-the-top, but I'd be interested in knowing if we still "simply disagree" after you see this list. I'm guessing you won't disagree as strongly as you previously did...
You are really just proving my point.
The Big East conference in 2010 was bad. It was not close to the conference we were supposed to be joining. UCONN won that conference with an 8-4 record, which is very unimpressive. I believe the fact that Miami, VPI and BC were no longer in the conference falls under the realm of CR. Therefore CR was directly responsible for UCONN being in the Fiesta Bowl. If that line of thinking is illogical, I will retire. I would give back all the bowls UCONN has appeared in to be a mediocre team in the old Big East sans CR.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 19h 19 hours ago
Told by an athletics guy in Austin & an East Coast media/website guy that realignment is about to start popping again.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 4h 4 hours ago
Big battle between Big 12 schools is taking conf to 12 or 14. TV entities will keep per team $ the same regardless.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 4h 4 hours ago
Locks are Cinci & UCF.lots of conversation regarding UConn, ECU, USF, Memphis.....you can forget BYU & Boise St.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 3h 3 hours ago
The Big 12 is excited about idea of being the only major conference with a presence in Texas, Ohio & Florida. Networks love this as well.
My comment: Remember Rule #1 of Conference Realignment
for some reason, when you dust of the stains of G5 affiliation and smear on some P5 lipstick, the media can't tell the difference. case in point is the immediate pumping up of and inclusion of Rutgers Football in some of the mainstream media as if they in the national discussion.Think about what TY is proposing. ESPN owns UCONN, Cincy, ECU, and UCF as part of The AAC for pennies on the dollar of what most of those schools are worth. Why would they pay these schools over 10x more than they currently do, when they already own their rights? On top of that they share distribution with Fox on The Big 12. Both entities would have to be on board with paying the conference more.
Think about what TY is proposing. ESPN owns UCONN, Cincy, ECU, and UCF as part of The AAC for pennies on the dollar of what most of those schools are worth. Why would they pay these schools over 10x more than they currently do, when they already own their rights? On top of that they share distribution with Fox on The Big 12. Both entities would have to be on board with paying the conference more.
Is it possible ESPN and FOX are willing to do this because it would put all the conferences east of the Rockies at a balanced number of 14. It would also put each conference into the other conferences territories. ACC all of the East coast and stretching into Midwest with ND and Louisville. Big 10 into ACC with Maryland and Big12 with Nebraska. Big 12 into North East, Florida and Ohio. Everybody is everywhere. Somewhat locking down realignment for sometime to come, which has to be better for both them moving forward. With The Big12 at 10 there's always the threat of ESPN losing teams from the ACC devaluing their cherished property. And since the they share the BIG12 the cost of doing this is half.
Just a thought.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 19h 19 hours ago
Told by an athletics guy in Austin & an East Coast media/website guy that realignment is about to start popping again.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 4h 4 hours ago
Big battle between Big 12 schools is taking conf to 12 or 14. TV entities will keep per team $ the same regardless.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 4h 4 hours ago
Locks are Cinci & UCF.lots of conversation regarding UConn, ECU, USF, Memphis.....you can forget BYU & Boise St.
Tuxedo Yoda @TuxedoYoda · 3h 3 hours ago
The Big 12 is excited about idea of being the only major conference with a presence in Texas, Ohio & Florida. Networks love this as well.
My comment: Remember Rule #1 of Conference Realignment
Dude! Did you just dump us in the ACC? You are our biggest B1G supporter. Oh, man, B1GALUM, say it aint so!I think it makes sense for the Big 12 to expand their footprint and number of teams provided per team payout remains the same. It is unfortunate that common sense cannot prevail in this scenario: Louisville, Cincinnati, UCF, USF to the Big 12 and UConn to the ACC. Big 12 at 14, ACC stays 14 and ND stays independent, B1G at 14, SEC at 14, PAC can stay at 12 with possible expansion down the road if desirable and worthwhile West Coat team ever emerges for them.
Dude! Did you just dump us in the ACC? You are our biggest B1G supporter. Oh, man, B1GALUM, say it aint so!
Is it possible ESPN and FOX are willing to do this because it would put all the conferences east of the Rockies at a balanced number of 14. It would also put each conference into the other conferences territories. ACC all of the East coast and stretching into Midwest with ND and Louisville. Big 10 into ACC with Maryland and Big12 with Nebraska. Big 12 into North East, Florida and Ohio. Everybody is everywhere. Somewhat locking down realignment for sometime to come, which has to be better for both them moving forward. With The Big12 at 10 there's always the threat of ESPN losing teams from the ACC devaluing their cherished property. And since the they share the BIG12 the cost of doing this is half.
Just a thought.
Dude! Did you just dump us in the ACC? You are our biggest B1G supporter. Oh, man, B1GALUM, say it aint so!
See now that's what I'm talking about.It aint so. I still think you guys are a good fit for the B1G. It was more just in response to the tweet from the well dressed and perhaps drunk jedi master about Big 12 expansion and for the sake of conversation accepting his tweet as a possibility. I always thought a Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia package made more sense for the Big 12 than Louisville in the ACC and UConn on the outside looking in. Regarding the B1G, Delany was talking yesterday during the OSU vs Maryland game about expansion with universities that are state, research institutions who are "academic, athletic and cultural fits" for the conference. I still believe UConn fits this mold and should be on the B1G radar if the conference ever does decide to expand again.
I wonder if ESPN would be interested in doing it just to get the AAC off television. If I recall correctly, UConn, Cincinnati and I think 2 other schools had some special status in the AAC contract whereby if they left the contract would be renegotiated. We do seem to be getting good television exposure under the current AAC contract. I'm sure ESPN would prefer to fill those slots with P5 games.
Of course if past precedent continues to hold, we can expect Cincinnati and UCF to go to the P5, UConn to be left behind, the AAC contract to be renegotiated and our television exposure to revert to ESPN 3.
In case you haven't been paying attention, ESPN has fewer games available than in the past. Why? The BTN, the SEC Network, the Pac 12 Network, FOX, ... ESPN needs college football content. Based on the ratings of the AAC games and what ESPN is paying for them, the games are a great deal for ESPN.
Stop it. You used to pimp the WV guys.
Can you provide a link to the post where you said UConn would get smoked in realignment? You can only throw stones if you are occasionally right about something.
Ah, no.
We were both independents at IA before joining the Big East.
Is there a grade lower than F?
If you keep going, we're going to find out.