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I know almost nothing about crossfit other than the ESPN shows and articles on the fanaticism and potential medical issues for people who take it way too far, but my impression is that it's the latest fitness fad that way too many people will sign on to try and teach. Every wannabe personal trainer will now be a crossfit specialist and every gym owner will open a crossfit operation.

In short, it will end up in the same spot as aerobics, step aerobics, spinning, tae bo, kick-boxing, the 20 min workout, 7 minute abs, buns of steel, the abdominator, the gazelle glider, stairmaster, soloflex, hot yoga and the south beach diet.
 
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I know almost nothing about crossfit other than the ESPN shows and articles on the fanaticism and potential medical issues for people who take it way too far

So everything that follows is uninformed, ignorant, and not worth the time it took to read
 
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CrossFit is a great workout. But it's not for everyone and someone who hasn't done anything in years should probably start off with something a little less intense.

Who knew that would be considered such a controversial statement?

Crossfit is only as intense as you make it. Everything can be scaled back from movements to weights.

This type of thinking shows who has been to a bad box with poor coaches and who hasn't.

It also shows a lack of understanding that each box is different and experiences at one box will never be the same as any other box. It's not controversial, it's just bad advice based on your own experience which you've assumed is the same everywhere. It's not.
 
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Were you relatively fit? Or were you coming from nothing?
I came from nothing. 50 pounds overweight. Couldn't do 20 push-ups, couldn't do a single pull-up , couldn't run a mile without taking a break and walking.

Jumped right in, scaled everything, my life changed and I never looked back. My story isn't much different than some other members at my box. Some were in worse shape physically, none have expressed the complaints I'm reading here.
 
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Crossfit is only as intense as you make it. Everything can be scaled back from movements to weights.

This type of thinking shows who has been to a bad box with poor coaches and who hasn't.

It also shows a lack of understanding that each box is different and experiences at one box will never be the same as any other box. It's not controversial, it's just bad advice based on your own experience which you've assumed is the same everywhere. It's not.

This reminds me of how arrogant and fanatical the people, including the coaches, were at Crossfit. I tried 2 boxes. Both more of the same.

You got great results. Good for you. But you're doing the same exact thing that the coaches do, marginalize and denigrate people who don't buy in all the way. Anyone who doesn't like it is weak minded and doesn't like to be pushed or challenged. It's bull spit.
 

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The key is short shorts and nice white Reeboks.

Fitness just falls into place after that.
 
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This reminds me of how arrogant and fanatical the people, including the coaches, were at Crossfit. I tried 2 boxes. Both more of the same.

You got great results. Good for you. But you're doing the same exact thing that the coaches do, marginalize and denigrate people who don't buy in all the way. Anyone who doesn't like it is weak minded and doesn't like to be pushed or challenged. It's bull spit.
Jimmy, read back through the thread you were then first one to take a shot at someone. And other than the planet fitness crack, which is shot at planet fitness more than you, nobody has marginalized or denigrated you.

I said "CrossFit is only as intense as you make it" and "CrossFit isn't for everyone." Then you accuse me of arrogance and fanaticism and start playing the victim. And you accuse me of playing Nelson with strawmen? Ironic.
 
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Create a goal, which you have done. Be flexible with the goal as you approach various checkpoints. If the inches/pounds seem like they aren't coming off as you expect for November, adjust the number slightly and be happy with progress.

As others have mentioned, find something you love to do. Along with proper diet, aerobic fitness should come first. Walking to running, biking, or an eliptical machine will help with this.

Once you are comfortable with 30+ minutes of aerobic activity at an accelerated heart rate, then the strength training should begin in earnest. Core and lower body are just as important as the upper body groups.

As you do this and the sore muscles begin, perhaps try a hot yoga class. I was very skeptical about it when it was recommended by both a PT and chiro that I use. Both are marathoners and I am a runner and coach. I was more flexible than I thought and just a couple of sessions cleared up a lot of injuries.

As an aside:
My sister-in-law is in the New Haven area and just started at 9 rounds gym and loves it. She is a walker/jogger and had gone to Planet Fitness among other gyms but she needed something that was more structured and could work multiple muscle groups at once instead of machines/weights where "cheating" could fool her into thinking she was doing better than she was. Plus, being able to schedule classes forced her to stick to the routine.
 
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Run. As often and for as long as you can.

As someone who is rehabbing a pretty painful and severe IT band injury, I'd recommend against this at first. Build up slowly and start with walking/jogging. Too much too soon leads to injuries, as does increasing the intensity, mileage, or speed too quickly.
 
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Were you relatively fit? Or were you coming from nothing?
Fat Couch potato for 18 months since my knee surgery. I gained 50 lbs (was never skinny) and when I hit 300 I said enough is enough. Went to a couple Xfit boxes near me and discussed what they can/would do for me. Chose the one I am in and have been very pleased with results. I have lost about 10 lbs in 3 months due to the exercise (not dieting..yes dumb) but my stamina and strength are getting much better. And YES as others said most of the people I work out with do much more..but they can. My work outs are tailored for my physical condition, age and my injury. Plus, I get a lot of positive support for my fellow xfitters which is very key to me. Yes I was sore a bit to start but if I did 3 sets of 5 pushups when I started I would have been sore. I guess what I am saying is you can have the experience you want or a bad experience at a Xfit box depending on who the instructors/owners are.
 
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1) Take the stairs

2) Park 1/2 mile from the package store for every visit.

3) For every minute you spend on the BY, you need to equal that time in physical activity.

4) Fall in love with prunes.

good stuff... the prunes part is killer (lol)... I'll stick with probiotics though... Like that stuff better...
 
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I haven't worked out in 3 years. It shows. I can't even figure out how to get started it seems. Energy levels are at an all time low. Not good considering I'm now 43. I used to work out ( moreso weight lifting ). Now, I know I need something that would give me a boost to get me back in order. I'd like to make quick strides by the early August, where, by that time, I should be down about 20 lbs. along with a few inches... Goal is to lose 30 to 35 lbs of fat by November. Any suggestions?

You could go this route:

http://espn.go.com/sports/endurance...-scully-power-run-163-mile-pan-mass-challenge
 
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switch to lite beer, 10 toes in. It's a lifestyle change, if your not willing to do it, you won't.
 
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Good advice is to get blood checked first. A combination of aerobic and resistance training taken slow but consistent is the key. On the days you don't feel it just do a little less. Begin stretching and walking but that won't be enough. Shop smart and plan on days off.
2-3 times a week consistently will make a huge difference in your life. Being around a mix of ages and diverse people working out is motivating. Just gotta get back through those doors. Where are you located?
 
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I haven't worked out in 3 years. It shows. I can't even figure out how to get started it seems. Energy levels are at an all time low. Not good considering I'm now 43. I used to work out ( moreso weight lifting ). Now, I know I need something that would give me a boost to get me back in order. I'd like to make quick strides by the early August, where, by that time, I should be down about 20 lbs. along with a few inches... Goal is to lose 30 to 35 lbs of fat by November. Any suggestions?
Run..run..and run…..diet too, but stay away from those low carb high protein diets, just eat smaller portions and no 2nd's or 3rd's (maybe an occasional 2nd if it's a sausage and mushroom pizza). Best running shoes are not cheap, the Nike Air Max 360 will run you about $120 to $160, the New Balance 993 will run about $120, but both shoes are good. The Nike is like running on air. One last thing, drink lots of water!!!!
 
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Run..run..and run…..diet too, but stay away from those low carb high protein diets, just eat smaller portions and no 2nd's or 3rd's (maybe an occasional 2nd if it's a sausage and mushroom pizza). Best running shoes are not cheap, the Nike Air Max 360 will run you about $120 to $160, the New Balance 993 will run about $120, but both shoes are good. The Nike is like running on air. One last thing, drink lots of water!!!!

Yes, comfortable running shoes are a must. Try to find a store where they will judge your gate, pronation, etc. They can then make recommendations based upon your biomechanics. I ran in Asics for years, went to one of these stores and am now running in Brooks. Turns out that various muscle and joint problems I'd had were because I was in the wrong shoe for my stride type and foot strike.
 
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Because of previous and current injuries I run or jog with pain. But I do it anyway because there are few substitutes for the way it makes me feel afterwards and the changes it makes to your body. Walking isn't a challenge anymore if you've been running, but start slow. Learn how to warm up. Right shoes, mix walking and jogging. Then short sprints as your distance improves. It's a shock for the first few weeks for sure but not impossible.
 
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Because of previous and current injuries I run or jog with pain. But I do it anyway because there are few substitutes for the way it makes me feel afterwards and the changes it makes to your body. Walking isn't a challenge anymore if you've been running, but start slow. Learn how to warm up. Right shoes, mix walking and jogging. Then short sprints as your distance improves. It's a shock for the first few weeks for sure but not impossible.
I hear you Jim. I've been running with pain, off and on for years for the same reasons you do. Use to do 35miles/week for years but had to cut back. Have had successful surgery on both ankles at different times for heal spurs and calcification on my achilles, knees and back are sound though.
 
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I haven't worked out in 3 years. It shows. I can't even figure out how to get started it seems. Energy levels are at an all time low. Not good considering I'm now 43. I used to work out ( moreso weight lifting ). Now, I know I need something that would give me a boost to get me back in order. I'd like to make quick strides by the early August, where, by that time, I should be down about 20 lbs. along with a few inches... Goal is to lose 30 to 35 lbs of fat by November. Any suggestions?
Sounds like we are of a similar age, and probalby a similar fitness based on what you described. I'm going thru the same experience now. There's a lot of good recomemdnations in this thread, but find what works for you and what you enjoy (that was the key for me, it should be a fun experience while challenging at the same time).
Food is obvious, but don't go on a diet, just make good choices and moderations ia key. Eat the things you like, but think about and monitor how much of the "bad" choices you make. I would not cut them out completely, b/c you're more likely to break down and binge eventually. Gradually ween yourself down in how much of the "junk" you eat, but don;t forget to treat yourself sometimes. The body wants what the body wants, so give it to it from time to time. Oh, and drink lots of water, as much of it as you can.
As for exercise, my recommendations from personal experienc would be to forget lifting initially. If that's what you want/prferred, reward yourself with that after you've sustained some cardio for a few months.
Walk/Jog - just get your cardio up, break a sweat, go at your pace which pushes you but allows you to keep going...slow and steady since you want this to be a life change, not a 6 month burst and then your back on the couch.
Swim - if you have access to a pool, and you don't mond it, it is IMO the best workout there is for your entire body while not beating up your joints (ankles, knees, hips primarily). Build up your stamina and distance over time, but get in the pool once or twice a week.
Bike - indoor or outdoor, depending on where you live and your means, easier on the joints, but good cardio and leg work.
Stretch, and then do Pushups/Situps - do it in front of the TV at night, or in the morning. Make it part of your routine. Stretch your body out (that burns calaories, then do some sit ups and push ups, even if you only do 25 - 50 day (you'll do more over time) make it part of your routine. Do it during commercials, make it a game, keep score. If you're married/dating, get your wife/gf involved as something you do together.
Just be active. Go for longer walks/hikes if you can, park in thefurthest spot from your office or wherever you're going, take the stairs, if you take an acutal lunch at your job, take 10-15 minutes of that time and go for a walk. If you eat at your desk, then force yourself to walk for 10 minutes during the work day. Every step counts
Record what you do - keep a diary, write down what you eat, how much you exercise. There are a number of calorie and exercise tracking apps that are pretty helpful. myfitnesspal, calorie counter, etc... Yo can enter your current weight, your goal (while I agree not to make weight your ultimate goal, this is a helpful tracker to use), and when you want to achieve your goal, and it will give you your recommended calories per day to accomplish it. It tracks your calories eaten and burned based on the info you enter, and will help you manage to your goal.

Once you've sustained some type of activity for a couple of months, give P90 or Insanity a shot. You'll be more effective at it, and less likely to get injured. It will definitely increase the calorie burn.

Good luck, it is definitely more challenging to cut the lbs. and speed up your metabolism as you get older, but very achievable.
 
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One trick I learned. My body seems to crave whatever I ate the previous day. So if I have Big Mac attack, then the next day I will have another.

Conversely, if I eat an awesome salad that is truly healthy and highin nutrients then I will crave that as much as I would a quarter pounder.

I like eating egg white omelettes. I take a bunch of baby spinach and fill the frying pan with it, then add the eggs later. Go easy on the cheese. The protein/fiber combination kicks butt. You won't get hungry later.

Muscle Milk, in moderation is a great in between meal.

After you exercise, eat something nutritous within a half an hour of finishing. 150-240 calories does the trick for me. Otherwise, you will feel extremely hungry an hour later and you may end up eating something not so good or too much. Also, eating right after exercise aids recovery. Your next workout will go better.

Red meat supposedly boosts testosterone, which has all sorts of awesome side effects. You will recover faster, which means you get fitter, faster.

Sleep is when your body produces human growth hormone and also when it absorbs it. This also aids recovery. It will also help you control your appetite since a lack of sleep produces more cortisol and cortisol is what makes you crave stuff that makes you fat.

Only do two really hard workouts a week. Most human beings, even the really elite ones that aren't on PEDs can't handle more than two really hard ones, simply because the human body lacks the capacity to recover from more than two of those efforts. This is why Tour de France riders slowly wear down throughout a Grand Tour, or why football players seem to be in worse shape at the end of the season than they are at the start.

The other workouts should be moderate and well within the aerobic zone. You will still burn calories and develop your cardio vascular system.
Basically, your tough workouts should be mind blowingly tough. But everything else should be moderate to easy.

Recovery is how you get more fit. It's not those extra reps or the extra miles. It's when your body is rebuilding, replenishing and adapting to those efforts that you gain fitness. Without recovery, you will just be wearing yourself down and headed towards an injury.

Nothing beats a nap.
 
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I hear you Jim. I've been running with pain, off and on for years for the same reasons you do. Use to do 35miles/week for years but had to cut back. Have had successful surgery on both ankles at different times for heal spurs and calcification on my achilles, knees and back are sound though.

I am against running. I used to get up at 4:30 AM, Monday through Friday to do 3.5 miles. On Saturday, I did 5 miles. Sunday was a day off unless guilt set in; which it did. As a result, according to my Orthopedic guy, I have a new hip, two new knees, two separate spinal fusions and god knows what next. Use an Elliptical, Stair Master or something else that doesn't pound your joints to mush. Scars notwithstanding, I'm fine now, but my hind-site is a little painful.
 
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As someone who is rehabbing a pretty painful and severe IT band injury, I'd recommend against this at first. Build up slowly and start with walking/jogging. Too much too soon leads to injuries, as does increasing the intensity, mileage, or speed too quickly.

You are correct, 100%.
 
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