Even Belichick thinks Brady is guilty.

[Palatine]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...k-never-believed-tom-bradys-deflategate-story

New Patriots Patriots head coach Bill Belichick "never believed" Tom Brady's explanation regarding the "Deflategate" scandal, according to a Boston Herald reporter.


Herald reporter Ron Borges said Belichick's skepticism led to Patriots owner Robert Kraft accepting the league's punishment of a $1 million fine and the loss of draft picks in 2016 and 2017. Belichick and Kraft weren't certain that Brady was being truthful with them about his alleged role in scandal.


"Belichick never believed his story, from what I was told," Borges said, according to a ComcastSportsNNE report. "Because they all know. Why do you think all those retired quarterbacks, the Troy Aikmans of the world — Troy Aikman is about as nice a guy as I've ever met in football — nobody's backed (Brady). Nobody, not a single guy. Why do you think that is? Because they hate Brady? No. Because they're not stupid. They know nothing's done with those balls that the quarterback doesn't want done."

 

[Stainmaster]

Good for you, Nostradamus. Now where's your snide "Patcheats/Belicheat" comment that sounds straight out of the mouth of a 3rd grader?

 

[Redding Husky]

I'm a Pats fan and I believe Brady is guilty. But this is no different (or more serious) than an MLB pitcher putting Vaseline on a baseball.

Brady should have been suspended one game and there should not have been a media circus. This is not global warming or the 1919 Chicago White Sox. Anyone who thinks deflategate is a big deal is a certifiable loon.

 

[J187Money]

I'm a Pats fan and I believe Brady is guilty. But this is no different (or more serious) than an MLB pitcher putting Vaseline on a baseball. Brady should have been suspended one game and there should not have been a media circus. This is not global warming or the 1919 Chicago White Sox. Anyone who thinks deflategate is a big deal is a certifiable loon.

Had he just admitted it that might have been the penalty. This nonsense is on him.

 

[1husky]

Had he just admitted it that might have been the penalty. This nonsense is on him.

He couldn't admit it because they wouldn't have let him play in the Super Bowl if he had. This nonsense is on Goodell. Should have been a fine and move on instead of a circus.

 

[J187Money]

He couldn't admit it because they wouldn't have let him play in the Super Bowl if he had. This nonsense is on Goodell. Should have been a fine and move on instead of a circus.

Then maybe he shouldn't have done it.

 

[specialisthusky]

He's guilty. But I still couldn't care less.

 

[Echo Hawk]

Borges thinks that Belichick thinks that Brady is guilty. I wonder if he checked with his sources.

Brady is getting 20 years for a parking ticket.

 

[kibblesnbits]

Borges and Belichick have a hate-hate relationship, so this story didn't come from anyone close to the coach. If you want to take this speculative tripe at face value it shows you really have no clue about the dynamics of the situation.

 

[Palatine]

Good for you, Nostradamus. Now where's your snide "Patcheats/Belicheat" comment that sounds straight out of the mouth of a 3rd grader?

The Patriots are cheaters, plain and simple, caught red handed on numerous occasions.


Oh, BTW, Brady is Eli's bitch.

 

[Stainmaster]

The Patriots are cheaters, plain and simple, caught red handed on numerous occasions.


Oh, BTW, Brady is Eli's bitch.

You're more bearable when you're spouting your crackpot conspiracy theories on the cesspool. Stick to that.

 

[formerlurker]

You know it's been a fun day drinking when you read the title of this thread and spend 5 minutes thinking to yourself, "Who ^c is Evan Belicheck?"

 

[Redding Husky]

The Patriots are cheaters, plain and simple, caught red handed on numerous occasions.


Oh, BTW, Brady is Eli's bitch.

100 years from now, people will know the name "Tom Brady".

No one will remember Eli.

 

[formerlurker]

100 years from now, people will know the name "Tom Brady".

No one will remember Eli.

That's just silly.

 

[Echo Hawk]

100 years from now, people will know the name "Tom Brady".

No one will remember Eli.

Palatine thinks that Borges thinks that Belichick thinks that Brady did it. Wells thinks that Brady is at least aware that he knew what was going on. Goodell thinks
that Wells thinks that Brady is at least aware that he knew what was going on. Sounds air tight. But what we are talking about is hearsay and the available evidence shows the hypothesis to be false. In this care so far, hearsay trumps hard evidence. For those like Palatine, hearsay is anything you want it to mean. I prefer a little more hard evidence. Brady will get 20 years for a parking violation which is the desired outcome.

I think Brady likes to throw balls at around 12.5 psi and let that be known within the organization. Someone let out a little too much air thinking it was still over 12.5.

If the NFL wants to correct this problem in the future they need to hire a security firm to handle the metrology of the gauges and a security firm to handle the custody of the balls. Tommy and the ball boys haven't a clue how to tell gauge A from gauge B let alone manipulate it and use it to their advantage.

As to the fumble rate, every team in the NFL should follow their example and then send the Patriots a check for the heads up.

In the end, the NFL can do what they want and reasonable doubt does not apply.

 

[formerlurker]

Can't everyone just agree that he did it and that it had zero effect on the outcome of games?

Then, can we agree that Brady deserves all the scorn he's getting because he still did it, vehemently denied it and continues to do so?

Just man up at the start and this would all be over with. Just a shady, bush league handling by Tommy Boy. If he keeps fighting he's coming close to being Roger Clemens light.

 

[CTMike]

The expected PSI readings, according to physics, essentially match the gauge used (to the best recollection of the official who measured).

So was he "caught red handed", or is he so epically bad at cheating that they couldn't deflate them enough to beat science... Which is it, Pal?

 

[FartMan69]

Thanks Obama

 

[Echo Hawk]

The expected PSI readings, according to physics, essentially match the gauge used (to the best recollection of the official who measured).

So was he "caught red handed", or is he so epically bad at cheating that they couldn't deflate them enough to beat science... Which is it, Pal?

You are completely wrong.

Exponent, a reliability and consulting firm, has been unable to detail how the exact gauges used for the game (a) found (b) and verified in terms of accuracy of their calibration. It is not in the report. Wells has not been true to Exponents statements. Exponent finds no control nor knowledge of which gauge or gauges were used to fill the balls prior to the games. The chain of custody or the balls was controlled but not the gauges and gauges were deemed to be perfectly calibrated which they were not. Exponent verified that the gauges were different by .35 to .5 psi. One gauge was consistently lower than the other. Which one was it?

The NFL, nor the Wells report cannot tell if the balls were warm or cold at halftime, can't tell gauge A from gauge B, nor who controled which one was used and by whom? Exponent makes it clear that no one knows which gauge was used when.

The report is hearsay. Go read appendix 1 of the report. Until you have done that you can make no statement of "more probable" than not - much less your pre conceived "caught red handed" narrative regarding the psi difference.

 

[Palatine]

Can't everyone just agree that he did it and that it had zero effect on the outcome of games?

Then, can we agree that Brady deserves all the scorn he's getting because he still did it, vehemently denied it and continues to do so?

Just man up at the start and this would all be over with. Just a shady, bush league handling by Tommy Boy. If he keeps fighting he's coming close to being Roger Clemens light.

If it had zero effect, why did Brady break the rules to do it? Obviously, Brady thought it was important enough that he engaged in a clubhouse conspiracy to manipulate the balls. If it has zero effect, why bother?

 

[Echo Hawk]

"If it had zero effect, why did Brady break the rules to do it? Obviously, Brady thought it was important enough that he engaged in a clubhouse conspiracy to manipulate the balls. If it has zero effect, why bother?"


Zero effect. Of course psi has an effect depending on the qb. That's why there is a range of acceptable psi . The NFL does not say that all balls have to be a specific psi. Please elaborate on the Patriots clubhouse conspiracy too. Who's part of it and how widespread? Past players now on other teams? Retired players? Did Randy Moss and Brady have a secret psi that allowed Moss to catch 24 td passes in one season? Has anyone interviewed Moss and asked him to come clean on the conspiracy? Is Aaron Rogers part of the conspiracy?

Here is how NFL referees check game balls for correct pressure. Does this look like a pretty precise method to you? Do you think they calibrated those gauges?

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Would a ball boy have the sophistication to gauge, deflate and use a compressor on 12 balls in one minute? Clearly the Patriots were doing something unusual but there is NO evidence of cheating, and while it make you jealous, there is no evidence to support your position. There is nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage on the playing field. Now if the Gillette scientists tried to develop a stickum on the gloves or balls that reduces slickness, then there is a big problem with any team that would try that. I could see teams like the Jets or Giants trying that.

 

[Palatine]

"If it had zero effect, why did Brady break the rules to do it? Obviously, Brady thought it was important enough that he engaged in a clubhouse conspiracy to manipulate the balls. If it has zero effect, why bother?"


Zero effect. Of course psi has an effect depending on the qb. That's why there is a range of acceptable psi . The NFL does not say that all balls have to be a specific psi. Please elaborate on the Patriots clubhouse conspiracy too. Who's part of it and how widespread? Past players now on other teams? Retired players? Did Randy Moss and Brady have a secret psi that allowed Moss to catch 24 td passes in one season? Has anyone interviewed Moss and asked him to come clean on the conspiracy? Is Aaron Rogers part of the conspiracy?

Here is how NFL referees check game balls for correct pressure. Does this look like a pretty precise method to you? Do you think they calibrated those gauges?

http://mmqb.si.com/2015/01/22/deflategate-video-how-nfl-officials-check-game-ball-pressure/

Would a ball boy have the sophistication to gauge, deflate and use a compressor on 12 balls in one minute? Clearly the Patriots were doing something unusual but there is NO evidence of cheating, and while it make you jealous, there is no evidence to support your position. There is nothing wrong with trying to gain an advantage on the playing field. Now if the Gillette scientists tried to develop a stickum on the gloves or balls that reduces slickness, then there is a big problem with any team that would try that. I could see teams like the Jets or Giants trying that.

Denial.

 

[Echo Hawk]

Denial.

Checkmate!!!

 

[StoweD210]

Borges and Belichick have a hate-hate relationship, so this story didn't come from anyone close to the coach. If you want to take this speculative tripe at face value it shows you really have no clue about the dynamics of the situation.

Right. There is a Bluto Blutarsky GPA of a chance that Borges has any access to Belichick's thoughts on this matter.

Instead of engaging in speculation, Borges & Co should be digging into why the NFL leaked false PSI information to Mortensen and provided incorrect information to the Patriots in the days after the AFCCG. Or why they waited until March to let the Patriots know the actual PSI readings, but only on condition that they keep silent until the Wells report was released. What could the NFL's motivation be for be spreading misinformation?

 

[CL82]

1) Here's the thing there's no evidence that balls were deflated. Physics explains it all. But many accept as given that it happened.

But let's just set aside a moment.

2) The refs didn't measure the balls in a way that allows certainty as to the measurements and impact of multiple measurement, thus there measurements are pretty much worthless as evidence even if the Ideal Gas Law didn't predict the more weather related deflation that actually occurred.

But let's just set aside a moment.

3) The game ball was in the possession of the Colts and was measured by them. At that point, even if 1) the Ideal Gas Law didn't predict the more weather related deflation that actually occurred and 2) even if the measurements of the ball hadn't been so haphazard as to be worthless.

But let's just set aside a moment.

4) The ref who measured the ball stated which gauges he used and using those gauges there was no pressure loss that indicates tampering. That's first hand testimony. It was ignored. Why was he in anyway shown to lack credibility? If so why was the rest of statements used? Even if 1), 2) and 3) didn't exist to already make the NFL's case worthless disregarding the firsthand report of eye witness can't reasonably be done without some justification.

But let's just set aside a moment.

5. There's no evidence that linked Brady to any tampering scheme. None. Read those texts none of them talk about post measurement tampering. Indeed, they mostly talk about over inflating, and that isn't post measurement. So even if the 1), 2), 3), and 4) didn't make the NFL's case worthless, there's still the lack of evidence that Brady had anything to do with the imaginary plan.

So we got no out of the ordinary loss, which was measured in a meaningless manner, of a game ball that was in the possession of Colts, who admit measuring the ball releasing air, a refs testimony that is rejected in order to construct a scenario where there was air pressure loss to create a tampering scenario in which there is no link to Brady.

Given all that I ask you who exactly is letting their biases color their judgment of the facts? Is it really the Pat fans?