Full disclosure: We are spoiled and we are probably all sinners too. I have very strong personal opinions (all negative) about coach JPM because I know players that have played for her and other players she has tried to recruit. JPM is incompetent enough that I have the luxury of putting those personal feelings aside to look strictly at her lack of results. Coach JPM is the poster child and proof positive of the Peter Principle. She reached her level of incompetence when she left the campus at Maine. That she has been able to cripple the program at Duke is because not enough people care about WCBB to demand higher standards-That hurts most of all.You might be right w/ your measuring stick. And having won so many NC one can be forgiven for being giddy. I will take Geno at his words- Uconn makes it look easy, but it is very difficult to win. Were it not so you and I would be out there playing/coaching. CocoHusky, I think we are spoiled. Or, as the athletes say these days- we are just blessed (so the others must be sinners). I have no opinions regarding coach P. Most of what I have to say comes from statements about her throwing her players under the bus"-- not a strategy for improving team play/performance. Perhaps her paedogical skills are wanting. But, asking for her head when she consistently have her team in the top 10 and without the usual scandals might be unconvincing. Would we be asking for Geno's head (or his replacement) if the team drops out of the top 5 and not make the final 4 for a two seasons? I think we are so use to speaking from a position of dominance that we have forgotten that it is not reality. This is not an argument for settling for just anything.
Is it ethical for Dawn Staley to accept transfers from the players she coached for team USA?
I don't have a problem with it, but I can see where it could be called an unfair recruiting advantage. Maybe Vanderbilt will report it.
Not in relation to the National Team- Most NCAA players aren't contending for a spot and definitely not related to soccer-not my cup of team until World cup time but I'm really surprised this has not become more of an issue. The selection of national age group teams is almost always conducted during NCAA non-contact periods yet certain coaches are in Colorado during the team selection process and actually stay around to coach the teams. I'm sure the rule is no recruiting but I really surprised more schools aren't complaining. This past summer you had Cox ,undecided and still considering SC & Louisville, being coached by Dawn and Jeff Walz.Is it ethical when the senior women's national team practices at UCONN and is coached by Geno Auriemma? Is that a recruiting advantage?
Is it ethical when our Men's national soccer team practices/trials at Stanford? Is that a recruiting advantage for Stanford's soccer program?
I don't have a problem with either, but surely somebody probably does...
Is it ethical for Dawn Staley to accept transfers from the players she coached for team USA?
I don't have a problem with it, but I can see where it could be called an unfair recruiting advantage. Maybe Vanderbilt will report it.
Ionescu and Westbrook are said to be a package deal, whoever get Ionescu will more then likly get Westbrook as well.If Rueck can land Ionescu (I think Oregon is the favorite), would be a big coup. Evina Westbrook would also be a key recruit (similar to Rebecca Lobo type recruit) if Oregon State wants to become a National power. Get back to the F4 with Westbrook/Ionescu, and that will show other CA kids that he is a good coach/can help them improve. What he has done with the recruits he has is pretty spectacular.
Rueck is an OSU grad. His salary, with an anticipated raise probably makes him very well to do up there.So maybe Duke won't convince him, and instead in 2-3 years he goes to another Pac-12 school with facilities et.al. By then, USC might be available again. Or my husband suggests Stanford when Tara retiring (while the rumor is that she has a successor on staff, who could compete with an accomplished head coach)...
Does Geno, and before him Tara and others derive benefit from being NT coach in the 'publicity' sense both for him, and when the team comes to practice in CT for the school - yes, though I am not sure it is much of a boost to already lofty levels of attention that Uconn/Stanford/____ and Geno/Tara/____ already had. But there are no players involved with the USA NT that have college eligibility left so that moves the discussion away from the actual participants. (I know Stewart was involved prior to her senior year, but that is VERY rare.) (Not sure how it works with other sports which may have more college players.)Is it ethical when the senior women's national team practices at UCONN and is coached by Geno Auriemma? Is that a recruiting advantage?
Is it ethical when our Men's national soccer team practices/trials at Stanford? Is that a recruiting advantage for Stanford's soccer program?
I don't have a problem with either, but surely somebody probably does...
Ionescu and Westbrook are said to be a package deal, whoever get Ionescu will more then likly get Westbrook as well.
Agree - although Boulder is growing like crazy, it is a definite "college town" and very separate from Denver. I would also argue for Tucson as a PAC 12 "college town."Boulder is one of my favorite college towns in the world... I visited once during undergrad for a leadership conference at CU and never wanted to leave. I seriously considered transferring there for at least 2 months after....
Rueck is an OSU grad. His salary, with an anticipated raise probably makes him very well to do up there.
The Pac12 has 3 college town atmospheres in the conference(OU, OSU, and WSU---4 if you count Colorado in Boulder but it basically is a suburb of Denver)
Some kids who you recruit have no problem going to a college town, even with lousy but not horrid weather. I would rather go to school in Corvallis or Eugene than Minnesota. Rueck made Corvallis a place to be, if you want to be a team player. If you want the bigger city life there is LA, Nor Cal, Tempe, SLC, Tuscon or Seattle. to go too.
I think Kelly Graves at Oregon said he liked OU as it was a small town appeal, as Gonzaga(in Spokane) was prior. I am sure he got offers from bigger schools in bigger cities. Some people dont like or need the glitter of the big cities.
On the money.Full disclosure: We are spoiled and we are probably all sinners too. I have very strong personal opinions (all negative) about coach JPM because I know players that have played for her and other players she has tried to recruit. JPM is incompetent enough that I have the luxury of putting those personal feelings aside to look strictly at her lack of results. Coach JPM is the poster child and proof positive of the Peter Principle. She reached her level of incompetence when she left the campus at Maine. That she has been able to cripple the program at Duke is because not enough people care about WCBB to demand higher standards-That hurts most of all.
Is it ethical for Dawn Staley to accept transfers from the players she coached for team USA?
I don't have a problem with it, but I can see where it could be called an unfair recruiting advantage. Maybe Vanderbilt will report it.
Based on the comments, I'd put betting money on her going to SC. Where else would she go if she's looking to go to a top flight program?
It's funny to me the number of times that folks on this board will cast stones at other programs, when it is THINGS GENO HAS ALREADY DONE.
About 20 years ago Geno coached one of those junior teams -- U18 or thereabouts. Not only did an uncommitted Ann Strother get a lot of paying time even though I think she was a year younger than most of the team, but she later verbal led to UConn over Tenn. needless to say, the Summitt alleged unethical behavior.
So everyone who is going off on Dawn in this thread will be glad to know they share company with the Summitt posters.
Dawn's tough style in recruiting
Package deal is definitely a strong words but according to a few messages on Cal message board Cal's top targets are #1 Inoescu '16, #1 Westbrook '17, and #1 DeAcosta '18. All three played on same AAU team they were national champions and there are quite a few articles out there saying how much they enjoy playing with each other. I would expect Cal's board to look exactly like that though-two (Inoescu and DeAcosta) of three are essentially staying at home.Where did you hear they are a package deal? Westbrook has had a few home visits lately from schools that are not among Ionescu's final 3 schools. Louisville and Tennessee coaches visited within the past 2 weeks and I think both Notre Dame and South Carolina visited before the NCAA tournament began
Package deal is definitely a strong words but according to a few messages on Cal message board Cal's top targets are #1 Inoescu '16, #1 Westbrook '17, and #1 DeAcosta '18. All three played on same AAU team they were national champions and there are quite a few articles out there saying how much they enjoy playing with each other. I would expect Cal's board to look exactly like that though-two (Inoescu and DeAcosta) of three are essentially staying at home.