2014 Pro Day and 2015 Combine Bench Press Numbers Don't Lie

[FDNY99]

Davis did 23 reps in the bench press at the combine.
Here are the numbers from UCONN's Pro Day last year:
Numbers from Buffalo Bills Draft.com
( http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2014/03/2014-uconn-pro-day-full-results-analysis-and-quotes/)
2014 UConn Pro Day : Measurables
Name Position Height Weight Hand Arm Wing Broad Vert Bench 40 Dash* 20 Shuttle* 3-Cone*


Jimmy Bennett OT 6075 305 9.5" 29" 80.375" 7'10" 24" 18 5.61 5.35 7.74


Chad Christen K 6005 189 8.5" 32" 75.5" 8'11" 36" 13 5.03 DNP DNP


Ryan Donohue LB 5115 244 9.25" 31" 72.5" 9'1" 32.5" 29 4.74 4.47 7.04


Steve Greene G 6042 314 10.125" 32.875" 79.25" 8' 27.5" 16 5.9 4.85 8.12


Martin Hyppolite RB 5115 232 8.625" 32" 75.875" 9'3" 34.5" 15 4.63 6.67


Jesse Joseph DE 6030 254 9.375" 33.375" 79" 8'6" 29.5" 19 4.83 4.19 7.26


Taylor Mack CB 5087 171 8.75" 29.25" 69.625" 9'9" 35.5" 9 4.52 3.93 6.6


Spencer Parker TE 6037 234 8.75" 31.5" 77.125" 9'2" 30.5" 22 4.69 4.23 7.14


Yawin Smallwood LB 6021 242 9.375" 32" 75.5" DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP


Shamar Stephen DT 6045 308 10" 34.5" 80.625" DNP DNP DNP DNP 4.86 7.63


Cole Wagner P 6022 211 8.75" 32.25" 75.375" DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP


Tim Willman DE 6030 266 9.25" 31.875" 76" 9'2" 30.5" 26 5.01 4.53 7.08


*Hand times

The numbers don't lie...I'm looking forward to seeing the progress under Balis.

 

[APA]

Davis did 23 reps in the bench press at the combine.
Here are the numbers from UCONN's Pro Day last year:
Numbers from Buffalo Bills Draft.com
( http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2014/03/2014-uconn-pro-day-full-results-analysis-and-quotes/)
2014 UConn Pro Day : Measurables
Name Position Height Weight Hand Arm Wing Broad Vert Bench 40 Dash* 20 Shuttle* 3-Cone*


Jimmy Bennett OT 6075 305 9.5" 29" 80.375" 7'10" 24" 18 5.61 5.35 7.74


Chad Christen K 6005 189 8.5" 32" 75.5" 8'11" 36" 13 5.03 DNP DNP


Ryan Donohue LB 5115 244 9.25" 31" 72.5" 9'1" 32.5" 29 4.74 4.47 7.04


Steve Greene G 6042 314 10.125" 32.875" 79.25" 8' 27.5" 16 5.9 4.85 8.12


Martin Hyppolite RB 5115 232 8.625" 32" 75.875" 9'3" 34.5" 15 4.63 6.67


Jesse Joseph DE 6030 254 9.375" 33.375" 79" 8'6" 29.5" 19 4.83 4.19 7.26


Taylor Mack CB 5087 171 8.75" 29.25" 69.625" 9'9" 35.5" 9 4.52 3.93 6.6


Spencer Parker TE 6037 234 8.75" 31.5" 77.125" 9'2" 30.5" 22 4.69 4.23 7.14


Yawin Smallwood LB 6021 242 9.375" 32" 75.5" DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP


Shamar Stephen DT 6045 308 10" 34.5" 80.625" DNP DNP DNP DNP 4.86 7.63


Cole Wagner P 6022 211 8.75" 32.25" 75.375" DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP


Tim Willman DE 6030 266 9.25" 31.875" 76" 9'2" 30.5" 26 5.01 4.53 7.08


*Hand times

The numbers don't lie...I'm looking forward to seeing the progress under Balis.

Unless you can show me Davis' numbers from last year, this is an entirely worthless stat.

 

[FDNY99]

Unless you can show me Davis' numbers from last year, this is an entirely worthless stat.

No it's not...when you have starting offensive lineman doing 18 and 16 reps in the bench at a pro day that means the team was flat out duck*ING poorly strength trained! That's beyond embarrassing to tell you the truth!! It showed the past 3 years watching this team get pushed around especially in the trenches!

 

[Stinger92860]

How did his 23 rank?

 

[FDNY99]

How did his 23 rank?

Tied for 1st with 2 other guys

 

[APA]

No it's not...when you have starting offensive lineman doing 18 and 16 reps in the bench at a pro day that means the team was flat out duck*ING poorly strength trained! That's beyond embarrassing to tell you the truth!! It showed the past 3 years watching this team get pushed around especially in the trenches!

You have absolutely nothing to prove that Balis had anything at all to do with this. I know that you wish that it were so, but it is unsupportable.

 

[FDNY99]

You have absolutely nothing to prove that Balis had anything at all to do with this. I know that you wish that it were so, but it is unsupportable.

So you are telling me that our strength training is just as good now as it was under Pasqualoni when 2 oline starters put up numbers that were flat out embarrassing? The numbers are there from the last year of Pasqualoni's time here, they can be compared to this year's pro day , and next year's as well just by using the search window.

 

[APA]

I don't think that you have the intellectual capacity for this discussion. You can't evaluate Davis without having a pre-Balis baseline, which you don't have.

 

[FDNY99]

I don't think that you have the intellectual capacity for this discussion. You can't evaluate Davis without having a pre-Balis baseline, which you don't have.

It's more about comparing the results of a wide receiver to those of offensive lineman.
Another internet tough guy...but then again I can see by the nature of your 155 posts you're a pompous d_i_c_k! You don't like what I post put me on ignore!!!

 

[APA]

It's more about comparing the results of a wide receiver to those of offensive lineman.
Another internet tough guy...but then again I can see by the nature of your 155 posts you're a pompous d_i_c_k! You don't like what I post put me on ignore!!!

You strike me as a pretty stupid person.

 

[Chin Diesel]

I don't think that you have the intellectual capacity for this discussion. You can't evaluate Davis without having a pre-Balis baseline, which you don't have.

You kinda missed the point that Davis' numbers were indictment of the previous regimes attitude towards strength training and how it showed itself with the OLinemen.

Then you double downed by being a d i c k.

 

[APA]

Ah, no. Show me the correlation. There is none. Wishing is not the same as logic.

 

[FfldCntyFan]

APA,

Do you lurk in the shadows waiting for an opportunity to start a fight?

I personally have no clue how many reps Davis was capable of prior to Balis joining our athletic department. I do however know how little progress was made (in terms of adding strength and quality bulk) from 2011 until the end of the 2013 season (by kids who were new in 2011 & 2012) and what the current spring roster states . Unless the figures are a complete fabrication, more was accomplished in the (barely) twelve months Balis was here than in the 36 (plus) month prior to his coming on board.

 

[J187Money]

I love intellectual jousting on the BY.

FD is probably right, but he is inferring something he doesn't know.

APA is technically correct.

 

[FDNY99]

I love intellectual jousting on the BY.

FD is probably right, but he is inferring something he doesn't know.

APA is technically correct.

All I'm saying is this...it's pretty embarrassing when a year after 2 starting OL put up 16 and 18 reps at 225 a WR puts up 23. To me that's an indictment of the previous regime's strength and conditioning program. I'm sorry but there is no way that should happen...a TE or LB putting up higher numbers than a OL I can see...but not a WR. That's not inferring anything...that's coming straight from guys I tailgate with who played at UCONN and had Jerry Martin as a strength & conditioning coach.

 

[UConnDan97]

I love intellectual jousting on the BY.

FD is probably right, but he is inferring something he doesn't know.

APA is technically correct.

^^^ This.

We don't know what effect Balis had on Geremy Davis. We don't know what effect Jerry Martin's coaching had on Jimmy Bennett, since we don't have a "Balis" number for Bennett to compare it with. All that can be said at this point is that Geremy Davis put up a fantastic number, which is always a good sign for the future. But keep in mind that I would argue that Geremy Davis has always looked pretty jacked to me...

 

[FDNY99]

^^^ This.

We don't know what effect Balis had on Geremy Davis. We don't know what effect Jerry Martin's coaching had on Jimmy Bennett, since we don't have a "Balis" number for Bennett to compare it with. All that can be said at this point is that Geremy Davis put up a fantastic number, which is always a good sign for the future. But keep in mind that I would argue that Geremy Davis has always looked pretty jacked to me...

The demise of the S&C program for UCOPNN football began in 2011. That's when Pasqualoni brought in Todd Devers from the Cowboys to be his S&C coach. Martin was the S&C Coordinator for the athletic department and Devers became the S&C guy for the football team. Devers was replaced before the 2013 season by Joel DeMarco who came from Trinity. All my friends had Martin as their S&C coach when they played at UCONN...one of which was a OL (All Yankee Conference). They all said that under Martin a WR would never do more reps in the bench than a OL. The bench was a critical exercise for the OL position due to the techniques used when blocking. I'm going off what my friends say when we talk about the team....and what they did under Martin. If APA played at UCONN and can tell me different then more power to him...until then I'll go off what my friends say about college football S&C.

 

[Excalibur]

^^^ This. We don't know what effect Balis had on Geremy Davis. We don't know what effect Jerry Martin's coaching had on Jimmy Bennett, since we don't have a "Balis" number for Bennett to compare it with. All that can be said at this point is that Geremy Davis put up a fantastic number, which is always a good sign for the future. But keep in mind that I would argue that Geremy Davis has always looked pretty jacked to me...

Martin shouldn't figure into the discussion at all, since he was not the S&C coach under P.

 

[J187Money]

The demise of the S&C program for UCOPNN football began in 2011. That's when Pasqualoni brought in Todd Devers from the Cowboys to be his S&C coach. Martin was the S&C Coordinator for the athletic department and Devers became the S&C guy for the football team. Devers was replaced before the 2013 season by Joel DeMarco who came from Trinity. All my friends had Martin as their S&C coach when they played at UCONN...one of which was a OL (All Yankee Conference). They all said that under Martin a WR would never do more reps in the bench than a OL. The bench was a critical exercise for the OL position due to the techniques used when blocking. I'm going off what my friends say when we talk about the team....and what they did under Martin. If APA played at UCONN and can tell me different then more power to him...until then I'll go off what my friends say about college football S&C.

Davis may have been doing that many reps since high school. We have no idea. That's the point that APA is making.

 

[APA]

Exactly. Thank you.

 

[whaler11]

The demise of the S&C program for UCOPNN football began in 2011. That's when Pasqualoni brought in Todd Devers from the Cowboys to be his S&C coach. Martin was the S&C Coordinator for the athletic department and Devers became the S&C guy for the football team. Devers was replaced before the 2013 season by Joel DeMarco who came from Trinity. All my friends had Martin as their S&C coach when they played at UCONN...one of which was a OL (All Yankee Conference). They all said that under Martin a WR would never do more reps in the bench than a OL. The bench was a critical exercise for the OL position due to the techniques used when blocking. I'm going off what my friends say when we talk about the team....and what they did under Martin. If APA played at UCONN and can tell me different then more power to him...until then I'll go off what my friends say about college football S&C.

It's highly likely that Balis has improved things. I think that I could have improved things with some printouts from the internet, a Miley Cyrus CD and a Kurig machine. One player's results don't prove anything is the point...

 

[FDNY99]

It's highly likely that Balis has improved things. I think that I could have improved things with some printouts from the internet, a Miley Cyrus CD and a Kurig machine. One player's results don't prove anything is the point...

Exactly. Thank you.

Davis may have been doing that many reps since high school. We have no idea. That's the point that APA is making.

I think you guys misunderstood the meaning of my post. I was comparing the bench results of a WR to 2 starting OL. What I meant by the numbers don't lie is that S&C under Pasqualoni was non-existent. And that Balis is actually doing S&C with this team the way Martin did before he was removed by Pasqualoni. We won't know if Balis is as good as Martin until he has worked with a recruiting class for 4 years. I don't think you will argue that when Edsall was here the strength level of the team was a lot higher than when Pasqualoni was here. You could see it on the field. A kicker did 3 and 5 less reps than those 2 starting OL...that's pretty pathetic.

 

[whaler11]

I think you guys misunderstood the meaning of my post. I was comparing the bench results of a WR to 2 starting OL. What I meant by the numbers don't lie is that S&C under Pasqualoni was non-existent. And that Balis is actually doing S&C with this team the way Martin did before he was removed by Pasqualoni. We won't know if Balis is as good as Martin until he has worked with a recruiting class for 4 years. I don't think you will argue that when Edsall was here the strength level of the team was a lot higher than when Pasqualoni was here. You could see it on the field. A kicker did 3 and 5 less reps than those 2 starting OL...that's pretty pathetic.

Nobody is disagreeing that it went to hell. Just that Davis' number doesn't prove it's fixed.

 

[FDNY99]

Nobody is disagreeing that it went to hell. Just that Davis' number doesn't prove it's fixed.

Like I said in my last post...I used Davis's number as a comparison...I don't think my statement
"The numbers don't lie...I'm looking forward to seeing the progress under Balis"
in any way shape or form said that it was fixed. I guess the thread title should have matched the message I was trying to convey in my post.

 

[FDNY99]

I changed the title of the thread to reflect my OP.